Eden Park
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It's an attempt by Eden Park Trust Board to get people to buy into an unnecessary expansion of a white elephant because they can't afford to run and maintan Eden Park as is.
Why do we need a 60K stadium? As opposed to would like?
Warriors should be told they ground share EP or fuck off.
Warriors should be told they ground share EP
That move (and the change of focus for Mt Smart) has been talked about for ages. It's probably complicated by Moana Pasifika now. Their dozens of fans would have to move too
Before covid there was going to be a double header at Eden Park. The Warriors in an NRL match followed by a Blues SR match. I'd like to see that scheduled again to see how well it works
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There was an article in the herald that had this summary of the plans over the last decade
Crazy the amount of uncertainty that they've created around all these venues
Plan A - 2012 - Eden Park used for rugby, league and one-day and T20 cricket - Speedway moves to Mt Smart; Western Springs used for test cricket - Mt Smart becomes training base for league, a high-performance centre and home of athletics - North Harbour Stadium used by North Harbour Rugby and football --- Plan B - 2014 - Eden Park left to fend for itself after rejecting cost-cutting proposals. Warriors move to Eden Park or North Harbour Stadium after 2018 - North Harbour gets a $12m makeover including a roof over the western stand - Cricket gets $12m boutique oval at Western Springs, which remains a concert venue - Speedway goes to Mt Smart at a cost of $5m --- Plan C - 2016 - Eden Park keeps big rugby and cricket matches - Warriors stay at Mt Smart at least until 2028. Ground gets $10m over three years for league and concerts - North Harbour gets some rugby and football. $12m upgrade delayed - Speedway stays at Western Springs until 2019 when it moves to South Auckland - Western Springs becomes cricket ground and concert venue --- Plan D - 2019 - Eden Park left to fend for itself with major rugby matches and a possible council bailout - Warriors stay at Mt Smart until 2028 when they may shift to Eden Park. After 2028, Mt Smart becomes a community stadium and high-performance centre - Western Springs becomes a cricket ground for tests, T20 and one-day internationals at a cost of $91 million. Venue for concerts and AFL matches - North Harbour becomes a community stadium for events with fewer than 10,000 spectators. - Remains home of North Harbour Rugby. High-performance centre for rugby, football and baseball -
Arise dead thread!
Sounds good, but "Friday's announcement did not include a timeframe or a cost estimate, or how the development will be funded."
It’s great but it should be at Quay Park over the the railway land. I don’t know why these guys (EPTB) don’t sell their bloody land, get a consortium together, and use the proceeds to build exactly what they have presented here at Quay Park right next to Spark Arena (or whatever it is called now). They could still call it Eden park.
That location has ALL the transport links. Every railway line in the city converges there. The ferries are one stop away at Britomart. The Tamaki Drive arterial to the eastern suburbs is right there. The busways are down the road (again one stop away at Britomart or the future Aotea station). The motorway spaghetti junction is not that far away up Stanley street. There won’t be any complaining residents (they live next to railway lines they can hardly complain about a stadium). They could host everything there 24/7 all year long and make all the money they want.
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It’s great but it should be at Quay Park over the the railway land. I don’t know why these guys (EPTB) don’t sell their bloody land, get a consortium together, and use the proceeds to build exactly what they have presented here at Quay Park right next to Spark Arena (or whatever it is called now). They could still call it Eden park.
That location has ALL the transport links. Every railway line in the city converges there. The ferries are one stop away at Britomart. The Tamaki Drive arterial to the eastern suburbs is right there. The busways are down the road (again one stop away at Britomart or the future Aotea station). The motorway spaghetti junction is not that far away up Stanley street. There won’t be any complaining residents (they live next to railway lines they can hardly complain about a stadium). They could host everything there 24/7 all year long and make all the money they want.
It’s great but it should be at Quay Park over the the railway land. I don’t know why these guys (EPTB) don’t sell their bloody land, get a consortium together, and use the proceeds to build exactly what they have presented here at Quay Park right next to Spark Arena (or whatever it is called now). They could still call it Eden park.
That location has ALL the transport links. Every railway line in the city converges there. The ferries are one stop away at Britomart. The Tamaki Drive arterial to the eastern suburbs is right there. The busways are down the road (again one stop away at Britomart or the future Aotea station). The motorway spaghetti junction is not that far away up Stanley street. There won’t be any complaining residents (they live next to railway lines they can hardly complain about a stadium). They could host everything there 24/7 all year long and make all the money they want.
It would become the kind of sports and entertainment precinct that the city would benefit from. A short walk to the bars and restaurants in town as well. It should have been given serious consideration instead of pie in the sky stadiums on wharves and underwater
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It’s great but it should be at Quay Park over the the railway land. I don’t know why these guys (EPTB) don’t sell their bloody land, get a consortium together, and use the proceeds to build exactly what they have presented here at Quay Park right next to Spark Arena (or whatever it is called now). They could still call it Eden park.
That location has ALL the transport links. Every railway line in the city converges there. The ferries are one stop away at Britomart. The Tamaki Drive arterial to the eastern suburbs is right there. The busways are down the road (again one stop away at Britomart or the future Aotea station). The motorway spaghetti junction is not that far away up Stanley street. There won’t be any complaining residents (they live next to railway lines they can hardly complain about a stadium). They could host everything there 24/7 all year long and make all the money they want.
I don’t know why these guys (EPTB) don’t sell their bloody land, get a consortium together, and use the proceeds to build exactly what they have presented here at Quay Park right next to Spark Arena (or whatever it is called now).
Because it's mana whenua land and none of the various Quay Park proposals have invited input from Nagti Whatua o Orakei. Understandably, given the history of land confiscations, going public with plans for a stadium without consulting with the people who own the land you want to build on has been less than constructive.
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I don’t know why these guys (EPTB) don’t sell their bloody land, get a consortium together, and use the proceeds to build exactly what they have presented here at Quay Park right next to Spark Arena (or whatever it is called now).
Because it's mana whenua land and none of the various Quay Park proposals have invited input from Nagti Whatua o Orakei. Understandably, given the history of land confiscations, going public with plans for a stadium without consulting with the people who own the land you want to build on has been less than constructive.
No that’s incorrect. Ngati Whatua were in full support of the Quay Park site being used for a stadium. They’d actually get ground rent from such a deal. They already had plans to develop that dead land and a stadium was a catalyst for it. The last time the quay park proposal was floated, Ngati Whatua were in full support.
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No that’s incorrect. Ngati Whatua were in full support of the Quay Park site being used for a stadium. They’d actually get ground rent from such a deal. They already had plans to develop that dead land and a stadium was a catalyst for it. The last time the quay park proposal was floated, Ngati Whatua were in full support.
No that’s incorrect. Ngati Whatua were in full support of the Quay Park site being used for a stadium. They’d actually get ground rent from such a deal. They already had plans to develop that dead land and a stadium was a catalyst for it. The last time the quay park proposal was floated, Ngati Whatua were in full support.
I do remember residents in Parnell, above the site complaining about the noise and dust from a potential construction site
. It's a no brainer and IIRC people back a few years ago said the site by Spark Arena was too small, hence the push for Jellicoe wharf. I don't know what's changed if my memory is correct -
No that’s incorrect. Ngati Whatua were in full support of the Quay Park site being used for a stadium. They’d actually get ground rent from such a deal. They already had plans to develop that dead land and a stadium was a catalyst for it. The last time the quay park proposal was floated, Ngati Whatua were in full support.
I do remember residents in Parnell, above the site complaining about the noise and dust from a potential construction site
. It's a no brainer and IIRC people back a few years ago said the site by Spark Arena was too small, hence the push for Jellicoe wharf. I don't know what's changed if my memory is correctIndeed. The idea is to build over the railway lines. Could even build over Tamaki drive, turning that bit of Tamaki drive into a tunnel. All the rail lines would go underneath the stadium with a big event station there to serve both the eastern and southern/western/CRL lines.
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Indeed. The idea is to build over the railway lines. Could even build over Tamaki drive, turning that bit of Tamaki drive into a tunnel. All the rail lines would go underneath the stadium with a big event station there to serve both the eastern and southern/western/CRL lines.
Indeed. The idea is to build over the railway lines. Could even build over Tamaki drive, turning that bit of Tamaki drive into a tunnel. All the rail lines would go underneath the stadium with a big event station there to serve both the eastern and southern/western/CRL lines.
I can't see how building it that way would work. Oh wait....
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No that’s incorrect. Ngati Whatua were in full support of the Quay Park site being used for a stadium. They’d actually get ground rent from such a deal. They already had plans to develop that dead land and a stadium was a catalyst for it. The last time the quay park proposal was floated, Ngati Whatua were in full support.
@Auckman Fair enough. I remember reading a report from PwC that the last plan (2020ish) hadn't consulted Ngati Whatua.
I do think people consistently underestimate the footprint required for a stadium. It's not just the structure itself, but if workable I agree adjacent to Spark Arena makes a lot of sense.
I just question the need for a new stadium - other than to bail EPTB out of a financial hole.
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@Auckman Fair enough. I remember reading a report from PwC that the last plan (2020ish) hadn't consulted Ngati Whatua.
I do think people consistently underestimate the footprint required for a stadium. It's not just the structure itself, but if workable I agree adjacent to Spark Arena makes a lot of sense.
I just question the need for a new stadium - other than to bail EPTB out of a financial hole.
@Auckman Fair enough. I remember reading a report from PwC that the last plan (2020ish) hadn't consulted Ngati Whatua.
I do think people consistently underestimate the footprint required for a stadium. It's not just the structure itself, but if workable I agree adjacent to Spark Arena makes a lot of sense.
I just question the need for a new stadium - other than to bail EPTB out of a financial hole.
A new stadium would ideally be funded in part by sale or redevelopment of the land that EP sits on. Which I'd imagine isn't gonna happen
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@Auckman Fair enough. I remember reading a report from PwC that the last plan (2020ish) hadn't consulted Ngati Whatua.
I do think people consistently underestimate the footprint required for a stadium. It's not just the structure itself, but if workable I agree adjacent to Spark Arena makes a lot of sense.
I just question the need for a new stadium - other than to bail EPTB out of a financial hole.
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Warriors should be told they ground share EP
That move (and the change of focus for Mt Smart) has been talked about for ages. It's probably complicated by Moana Pasifika now. Their dozens of fans would have to move too
Before covid there was going to be a double header at Eden Park. The Warriors in an NRL match followed by a Blues SR match. I'd like to see that scheduled again to see how well it works
Warriors should be told they ground share EP
That move (and the change of focus for Mt Smart) has been talked about for ages. It's probably complicated by Moana Pasifika now. Their dozens of fans would have to move too
Before covid there was going to be a double header at Eden Park. The Warriors in an NRL match followed by a Blues SR match. I'd like to see that scheduled again to see how well it works
v Raiders and Brumbies. To get travellers from Canberra.
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The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
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The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
The sunken stadium idea is crazy. A sunken stadium would have got big time flooded in the floods earlier in the year
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For interest, this was a little-known Quay Park proposal from 2017 that came to light in 2021. The feasibility study which Goff commissioned (but kept secret from Council - including the outraged Eden park supporters on Council) came back with the Quay park site being rated the best of five different locations studied.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/an-unseen-magical-downtown-stadium-for-auckland
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For interest, this was a little-known Quay Park proposal from 2017 that came to light in 2021. The feasibility study which Goff commissioned (but kept secret from Council - including the outraged Eden park supporters on Council) came back with the Quay park site being rated the best of five different locations studied.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/an-unseen-magical-downtown-stadium-for-auckland
For interest, this was a little-known Quay Park proposal from 2017 that came to light in 2021. The feasibility study which Goff commissioned (but kept secret from Council - including the outraged Eden park supporters on Council) came back with the Quay park site being rated the best of five different locations studied.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/an-unseen-magical-downtown-stadium-for-auckland
So why didn't it get the green light?
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The Sunken Stadium guys on the waterfront are about to mount a counter-proposal to Eden park 2.0 in the next two weeks.
The sunken stadium idea is crazy. A sunken stadium would have got big time flooded in the floods earlier in the year
Yeah I’m ambivalent about that proposal only for the outrage it would create lol. It’ll be far too hard to persuade people to support it. Hence my support for Quay Park.
But wouldn’t the idea be to reclaim land from the harbour? It wouldn’t necessarily be plonking a stadium in the harbour like Kelly Tarltons.
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Yeah I’m ambivalent about that proposal only for the outrage it would create lol. It’ll be far too hard to persuade people to support it. Hence my support for Quay Park.
But wouldn’t the idea be to reclaim land from the harbour? It wouldn’t necessarily be plonking a stadium in the harbour like Kelly Tarltons.
Yeah I’m ambivalent about that proposal only for the outrage it would create lol. It’ll be far too hard to persuade people to support it. Hence my support for Quay Park.
But wouldn’t the idea be to reclaim land from the harbour? It wouldn’t necessarily be plonking a stadium in the harbour like Kelly Tarltons.
If you don't need to reclaim though, as the railway proposal suggests, why bother doing so? Just more expense
