All Blacks 2023
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There are only four serious options for the World Cup at 6.
Front runner is Scott Barrett, who I think is our best lock, at worst the second best and should be playing there.
Frizzel is next in Fosters eyes, and aside from being a cowardly worm that assaults women, he goes missing at Test level (and SR level this year). A non entity.
Akira, for the reasons stated above.
And Ethan, who I believe is a seven and is also too similar to Cane and Ardie. It would be a very Australian style loose forward trio and get steamrollered by the bigger backs. Ethan on the bench for me.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
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Not sure how to approach this with being labelled deranged or accused of projecting but these aspects of Akira's game have been noted often by many and various.
No one is saying that the guy isn't a good code player at all, just that these aspects of using upper body strength over leg drive or whole body (in both attack and defence) are what make him less impactful against big, and more accurate, sides. The ones we need to beat. -
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
Cane > Dalton on current form.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
Cane > Dalton on current form.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
Cane > Dalton on current form.
Said the Chiefs fan (since this all about bias apparently). Tell me more about how Jacobson hasn’t failed at Test level.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
i have said repeatedly that DP's performance v ENgland was the best in an AB7 shirt in years
But it takes blinkers to not think Cane is having an enormous season for the Chiefs, contesting the ball more, better in the carry, and still whacking in defence. And he's the captain.
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Not sure how to approach this with being labelled deranged or accused of projecting but these aspects of Akira's game have been noted often by many and various.
No one is saying that the guy isn't a good code player at all, just that these aspects of using upper body strength over leg drive or whole body (in both attack and defence) are what make him less impactful against big, and more accurate, sides. The ones we need to beat.@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Not sure how to approach this with being labelled deranged or accused of projecting but these aspects of Akira's game have been noted often by many and various.
No one is saying that the guy isn't a good code player at all, just that these aspects of using upper body strength over leg drive or whole body (in both attack and defence) are what make him less impactful against big, and more accurate, sides. The ones we need to beat.The first step to curing IBDS is recognising you have IBDS.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
Cane > Dalton on current form.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
Cane > Dalton on current form.
As a Blues fan I agree.
Still the pointy end of the season to go mind you.
It's great for the ABs that Cane is playing so well this year.
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Actually, think about Ethan, if we want a smaller 6 that is actually effective we could look at Choat.
Having a storming Super season, and just smashing into everything.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
Actually, think about Ethan, if we want a smaller 6 that is actually effective we could look at Choat.
Having a storming Super season, and just smashing into everything.
that's just a trifle too stinky
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i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
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@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely? -
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?IBDS. Get help.
You spent the other day making stuff up about RI, now it’s Akiras turn I see.
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i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
...Savea to 6 or cane to 6 and savea to 7?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
...Savea to 6 or cane to 6 and savea to 7?
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
...Savea to 6 or cane to 6 and savea to 7?
yuck to both of those
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i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
Ardie seems to be a shadow of his former self since his send off, maybe it will be Sotutu's year (although I'm not holding my breath).
As for everyone else I like both Papali'i and Cane so happy either way.
Prefer Akira but don't mind Blackadder, Frizell can fuck off and SB is a lock. Otherwise they need to go out of the squad and pick one of Flanders/MMT/Renton.
Ardie and Sotutu are pretty similar 8s so don't mind who gets the nod either based on form. An in form and fit Grace is good too.
PGS is having a better few weeks but we all know how quickly his form can drop. Gardiner goes ok but I still haven't processed the hype about him after that one NZXV game.
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In the most recent Aotearoa Rugby Pod there was a question about the ABs having a 6:2 bench due the versatility of the likely starting backline (only having a reserve halfback and midfield back). So similar to SA's bomb squad/front row having a complete set of loose forwards on the bench. As Parsons rightly said, that would only work if you are prepared to sub the starting loose forwards. Ardie is less likely to be subbed based on recent history. So that creates problems with the balance of the loose forwards.
