All Blacks 2023
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i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
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@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely? -
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?IBDS. Get help.
You spent the other day making stuff up about RI, now it’s Akiras turn I see.
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i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
...Savea to 6 or cane to 6 and savea to 7?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
...Savea to 6 or cane to 6 and savea to 7?
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
...Savea to 6 or cane to 6 and savea to 7?
yuck to both of those
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i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
i'm just pissed we can't get Hoskins Sotutu, the guy i consider the best all-round loose forward in the country, in to the side
Ardie seems to be a shadow of his former self since his send off, maybe it will be Sotutu's year (although I'm not holding my breath).
As for everyone else I like both Papali'i and Cane so happy either way.
Prefer Akira but don't mind Blackadder, Frizell can fuck off and SB is a lock. Otherwise they need to go out of the squad and pick one of Flanders/MMT/Renton.
Ardie and Sotutu are pretty similar 8s so don't mind who gets the nod either based on form. An in form and fit Grace is good too.
PGS is having a better few weeks but we all know how quickly his form can drop. Gardiner goes ok but I still haven't processed the hype about him after that one NZXV game.
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In the most recent Aotearoa Rugby Pod there was a question about the ABs having a 6:2 bench due the versatility of the likely starting backline (only having a reserve halfback and midfield back). So similar to SA's bomb squad/front row having a complete set of loose forwards on the bench. As Parsons rightly said, that would only work if you are prepared to sub the starting loose forwards. Ardie is less likely to be subbed based on recent history. So that creates problems with the balance of the loose forwards.
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In the most recent Aotearoa Rugby Pod there was a question about the ABs having a 6:2 bench due the versatility of the likely starting backline (only having a reserve halfback and midfield back). So similar to SA's bomb squad/front row having a complete set of loose forwards on the bench. As Parsons rightly said, that would only work if you are prepared to sub the starting loose forwards. Ardie is less likely to be subbed based on recent history. So that creates problems with the balance of the loose forwards.
@Bovidae it's almost guaranteed they will carry two loose forwards on the bench. Barrett will start at 6 and then move to lock. Cane will get subbed. Savea will play 80.
DP will bench, the guy covering 6 is the "unknown" at this stage.
I reckon you can probably pen in 22 of the 23 that will be named for the knock-outs now.
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In the most recent Aotearoa Rugby Pod there was a question about the ABs having a 6:2 bench due the versatility of the likely starting backline (only having a reserve halfback and midfield back). So similar to SA's bomb squad/front row having a complete set of loose forwards on the bench. As Parsons rightly said, that would only work if you are prepared to sub the starting loose forwards. Ardie is less likely to be subbed based on recent history. So that creates problems with the balance of the loose forwards.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
there was a question about the ABs having a 6:2 bench due the versatility of the likely starting backline
Asking Ofa to play on the wrong side this year makes me think we are only taking 5 props and an extra loose forward. That would make a 6/2 split more possible too
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2023:
there was a question about the ABs having a 6:2 bench due the versatility of the likely starting backline
Asking Ofa to play on the wrong side this year makes me think we are only taking 5 props and an extra loose forward. That would make a 6/2 split more possible too
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?IBDS. Get help.
You spent the other day making stuff up about RI, now it’s Akiras turn I see.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?IBDS. Get help.
You spent the other day making stuff up about RI, now it’s Akiras turn I see.
The moment you invent some stupid name for people critiquing your favourite players is the moment you should realise how blind you are to anything they do wrong.
Go and watch that tap try and tell me that Akira did not jog through the spot the try was scored with his back turned to the situation.
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level. -
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?IBDS. Get help.
You spent the other day making stuff up about RI, now it’s Akiras turn I see.
The moment you invent some stupid name for people critiquing your favourite players is the moment you should realise how blind you are to anything they do wrong.
Go and watch that tap try and tell me that Akira did not jog through the spot the try was scored with his back turned to the situation.
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level.@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?IBDS. Get help.
You spent the other day making stuff up about RI, now it’s Akiras turn I see.
The moment you invent some stupid name for people critiquing your favourite players is the moment you should realise how blind you are to anything they do wrong.
Go and watch that tap try and tell me that Akira did not jog through the spot the try was scored with his back turned to the situation.
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level.It saves time.
You can try to nitpick, but he was MoM in that game, and you have to ignore 20 good things to try to invent that the try was his fault.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?IBDS. Get help.
You spent the other day making stuff up about RI, now it’s Akiras turn I see.
The moment you invent some stupid name for people critiquing your favourite players is the moment you should realise how blind you are to anything they do wrong.
Go and watch that tap try and tell me that Akira did not jog through the spot the try was scored with his back turned to the situation.
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level.@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?IBDS. Get help.
You spent the other day making stuff up about RI, now it’s Akiras turn I see.
The moment you invent some stupid name for people critiquing your favourite players is the moment you should realise how blind you are to anything they do wrong.
Go and watch that tap try and tell me that Akira did not jog through the spot the try was scored with his back turned to the situation.
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level.Since you got caught lying about Reiko the other day, thought I better go take a look at this.
Akira does jog back, but before the tap he is on the right side of the ruck numbering up on defence on that side. The quick tab happens on the other side and Dalton and Funaki fail to react at all.
Blaming this on Akira (who was defending on the other side of the ruck is), wait for it.....IBDS.
Haven't you got anything better to do?
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if you want to see a guy being fucking lazy and costing his team a try, watch PGS in like R2 against MP. He fucking turns his back and jogs back onside 10m from our line, and a guy runs right through the hole. He should have been back playing club rugby the next week.
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if you want to see a guy being fucking lazy and costing his team a try, watch PGS in like R2 against MP. He fucking turns his back and jogs back onside 10m from our line, and a guy runs right through the hole. He should have been back playing club rugby the next week.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
if you want to see a guy being fucking lazy and costing his team a try, watch PGS in like R2 against MP. He fucking turns his back and jogs back onside 10m from our line, and a guy runs right through the hole. He should have been back playing club rugby the next week.
That's called "Doing a Frizzell"
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
if you want to see a guy being fucking lazy and costing his team a try, watch PGS in like R2 against MP. He fucking turns his back and jogs back onside 10m from our line, and a guy runs right through the hole. He should have been back playing club rugby the next week.
That's called "Doing a Frizzell"
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
if you want to see a guy being fucking lazy and costing his team a try, watch PGS in like R2 against MP. He fucking turns his back and jogs back onside 10m from our line, and a guy runs right through the hole. He should have been back playing club rugby the next week.
That's called "Doing a Frizzell"
while i yell at the TV a lot, by fuck i yelled at the TV then. The game wasn't even in the balance, it was just another shit moment from a player not fit enough to be out there.
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if you want to see a guy being fucking lazy and costing his team a try, watch PGS in like R2 against MP. He fucking turns his back and jogs back onside 10m from our line, and a guy runs right through the hole. He should have been back playing club rugby the next week.
@mariner4life Biggest piss off is seeing players doing that. I not discussing last week's game , as I didn't watch it closely enough, but my criticism of Akira used to be he didn't put in the effort, ie if a runner was slightly wide of him , he would just turn and jog back. I honestly thought he had got rid of that last year anyway, and looked interested for longer times.
Big take of mine is always workrate etc, one of reasons I so keen on players like Sam Cane etc, spends not a nano second longer on ground after a tackle etc than necessary. Young Fabian Holland from Highlanders, was one who caught me eye because he did same when I first saw him play. One of reasons I love being at games live, love seeing players that do it well. Seems it one thing me and Eddie Jones agree on lol.Anyway as I say that's not getting into Akira/Frizzell etc, and on tv you don't often see what's going on around these players and reason why they are doing what they do.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Toddy said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life And when he starts with Savea you now have two loose forwards who look to hold players up and drive them backwards. Need at least two players who tackle with their shoulder in the loose trio imo.
Just need to watch the game last week to see him doing exactly that. Was just smashing people.
I did see him jog behind the breakdown with his back turned for the MP quick tap try and grab a player a metre out from the line when he could have dropped a shoulder for MPs try in the right corner.
If he is now being more dominant in the tackle then great but we need more than one game against the cellar dwellers to be making that call surely?IBDS. Get help.
You spent the other day making stuff up about RI, now it’s Akiras turn I see.
The moment you invent some stupid name for people critiquing your favourite players is the moment you should realise how blind you are to anything they do wrong.
Go and watch that tap try and tell me that Akira did not jog through the spot the try was scored with his back turned to the situation.
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level.Since you got caught lying about Reiko the other day, thought I better go take a look at this.
Akira does jog back, but before the tap he is on the right side of the ruck numbering up on defence on that side. The quick tab happens on the other side and Dalton and Funaki fail to react at all.
Blaming this on Akira (who was defending on the other side of the ruck is), wait for it.....IBDS.
Haven't you got anything better to do?
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
Blaming this on Akira (who was defending on the other side of the ruck is), wait for it.....IBDS.
Reading comprehension problems?
Still isn't good to turn your back on a live ball however you want to spin it or make up names for people that have a different view than yours. Or accuse them of lying.
Total bullshit from someone that should set a better example.
I'm off for a while.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
Blaming this on Akira (who was defending on the other side of the ruck is), wait for it.....IBDS.
Reading comprehension problems?
Still isn't good to turn your back on a live ball however you want to spin it or make up names for people that have a different view than yours. Or accuse them of lying.
Total bullshit from someone that should set a better example.
I'm off for a while.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2023:
Not saying that he was at fault for the try but it wasn't play that is acceptable at the top level.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
Blaming this on Akira (who was defending on the other side of the ruck is), wait for it.....IBDS.
Reading comprehension problems?
Still isn't good to turn your back on a live ball however you want to spin it or make up names for people that have a different view than yours. Or accuse them of lying.
Total bullshit from someone that should set a better example.
I'm off for a while.
He ran back onside and was ready in position before the quick tap, you are quibbling with how fast he did it and saying he had his back to play, which is just inaccurate.
The clear inference was that the try was partly his fault. Just not true. IBDS.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the biggest problem at 6 isn't even who we have to choose from. The biggest problem is the guys locked in to 7 and 8, their strengths and weaknesses, and thus the specific type of player you need to make that trio work.
Solved with Akira, Ardie and Dalton.
i just love how the solution to the ABs not winning is to bring more Blues players in. Players who have won 5/8 of fuck all.
Are you actually John Kirwan?
Instead of crying bias, explain how Cane is playing better than Dalton over the past two years? Not just Blues fans thinking that.
i have said repeatedly that DP's performance v ENgland was the best in an AB7 shirt in years
But it takes blinkers to not think Cane is having an enormous season for the Chiefs, contesting the ball more, better in the carry, and still whacking in defence. And he's the captain.
@mariner4life Canes defence is closest to the likes of Jerry or Kaino, but he doesnt seem suited to how we want our 6 to play...
He put a huge hit on a front rower in the weekend who in most cases would have scored, but no, Cane came from nowhere and stopped him dead.
