All Blacks 2023
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If JB thinks, even for a split second, his job is to help in DMac's channel, then we are already fucked
@mariner4life Where did I say it was?
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ok then i have absolutely no idea what any of your post even means then
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It's not complicated, I think DMac is a better defender than RM. Do I have to draw pictures?
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It's not complicated, I think DMac is a better defender than RM. Do I have to draw pictures?
@Kirwan in general i agree with you as you'll see from my upvotes...but you did just say above the DMac will do better on Defence with JB outside him, surely you can see how someone might think you were saying JB was going to help defend that channel
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
It's not complicated, I think DMac is a better defender than RM. Do I have to draw pictures?
Yes, please! :face_with_tears_of_joy:
@Stargazer Be careful what you wish for
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@Kirwan in general i agree with you as you'll see from my upvotes...but you did just say above the DMac will do better on Defence with JB outside him, surely you can see how someone might think you were saying JB was going to help defend that channel
@Kiwiwomble fair, but I clarified I wasn't. I'm posting as I work....
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@Stargazer Be careful what you wish for
@Kirwan would have got an upvote if the arrow was red
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@Stargazer Be careful what you wish for
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@Stargazer isn't he only in the position to make that tackle because he was being hidden on the wing in defence?
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@Stargazer isn't he only in the position to make that tackle because he was being hidden on the wing in defence?
@Kiwiwomble I don't see how that matters. He made a try-saving tackle. So the statement that he is a shit defender is simply not true and there's no proof that Dmac is any better.
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@Kiwiwomble I don't see how that matters. He made a try-saving tackle. So the statement that he is a shit defender is simply not true and there's no proof that Dmac is any better.
@Stargazer he is poor in the ten channel, you know, the position he plays. Thats why both the Crusaders and All Blacks have to hide him out wide, where his front on defence isn't exposed as much.
If he was good at that he wouldn't be moved.
Both BB and Dmac are better at RM at that. Are they perfect? No, but the pecking order is clear on defence. It cost us in 2019, not enthused to see us making the same mistakes four years later.
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@Kiwiwomble I don't see how that matters. He made a try-saving tackle. So the statement that he is a shit defender is simply not true and there's no proof that Dmac is any better.
@Stargazer he managed to make a try saving tackle because he had the touch line to help sheppard kolbe into a potion where he could make the tackle, midfield and kolbe smokes him every day of the week, the fact he is put out there and given that touch line to help when others arent is the proof that even the AB's think there are better defenders
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@Stargazer he is poor in the ten channel, you know, the position he plays. Thats why both the Crusaders and All Blacks have to hide him out wide, where his front on defence isn't exposed as much.
If he was good at that he wouldn't be moved.
Both BB and Dmac are better at RM at that. Are they perfect? No, but the pecking order is clear on defence. It cost us in 2019, not enthused to see us making the same mistakes four years later.
@Kirwan It didn't cost us in 2019. It has been discussed to death that the problem in that England game was our forward pack, not the backs. It's only some people on here who like to blame certain backs, RM in particular, for that ABs performance.
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The All Blacks app has stats from Super Rugby Pacific (not sure of accuracy?)
DMac tackling at 87% (60 from 69)
Richie Mo'unga tackling at 77% (43 from 56).
In terms of volume Carter Gordon stands out with 86% (108 from 125).
@KiwiMurph and thats with him being hidden often
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@Stargazer Be careful what you wish for
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer Be careful what you wish for
can i just go back to this for a second and talk about how far we've come, a picture including George Bridge and the "shit" label isn't pointing at him
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@Kirwan It didn't cost us in 2019. It has been discussed to death that the problem in that England game was our forward pack, not the backs. It's only some people on here who like to blame certain backs, RM in particular, for that ABs performance.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kirwan It didn't cost us in 2019. It has been discussed to death that the problem in that England game was our forward pack, not the backs. It's only some people on here who like to blame certain backs, RM in particular, for that ABs performance.
Don't agree at all! Our forwards got smacked around in the first half, but we got ourselves back into that game in the second, but every time we had the ball in a decent position there was nobody directing play so we made stupid panicked mistakes and gave it away again. RM being both the playmaker and completely anonymous was central to that lack of direction in the second half. That is tough on Mo'unga, as he shouldn't have been in that position given his lack of experience, but at the end of the day he had a shocker, and it's very difficult to win a knock-out game when your 10 plays poorly.
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@Kiwiwomble I don't see how that matters. He made a try-saving tackle. So the statement that he is a shit defender is simply not true and there's no proof that Dmac is any better.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Kiwiwomble I don't see how that matters. He made a try-saving tackle. So the statement that he is a shit defender is simply not true and there's no proof that Dmac is any better.
Let's see. DMac stopping a Fiji certainty in 2021 (similar to the RM video posted)? Also I recall try savers in the corner against both LF and Telea.
Generally though he puts his body on the line more than RM and is tenacious enough to hang on for support. Hardly ever gets stepped.
Obviously not who you want isolated 5 metres from the tryline but there's plenty like that.
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RMo, BB and DMac
