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  • DuluthD Duluth

    @Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2023:

    From the above article
    "From 13 games Jacobson has 17 dominant tackles (numbers courtesy of Opta Sports), one ahead of Scott Barrett. Sotutu isn’t in the top 10.

    The Blues No 8 is an outstanding carrier, but Jacobson’s inclusion are clear signals that the All Blacks want players who can smash people. "

    Here's the opta stats for the end of the regular season

    Where's Shannon?

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    @Duluth

    Where abouts did you get the stats from?

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      @Duluth

      Where abouts did you get the stats from?

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      @bobily2

      You can squeeze a bit of information out of the official match packs

      SRP Match packs

      For instance the Final Match Pack has the overall stats plus team breakdowns for the Chiefs and Crusaders. If you are, for instance, looking up a specific Highlander you have to use the match pack from the Highlanders last game

      I wasn't aware these existed until they turned up in a google search recently

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        Cool, thanks! I think I can read those into some software and publish a few bits and pieces on it e.g. some more breakdowns by position

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          @Bones said in All Blacks 2023:

          For an up and down year, I don't see why selectors still wouldn't want this in their team and to see if they can fix any failings.

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          Where did you get the stats from @bones?

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          @pakman popped up in my facebook feed.

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            @pakman popped up in my facebook feed.

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            @Bones I think those numbers might be from last year?

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              The formatting, the black "torn" second on the bottom wasn't used last year....so not just an old post but an actual mistake if they are last years figures

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                The numbers are quite low.. I worked it out. It was the numbers at the end of round four

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                • DuluthD Duluth

                  The numbers are quite low.. I worked it out. It was the numbers at the end of round four

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                  @Duluth classic

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                    @pakman popped up in my facebook feed.

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                    @Bones Who posted it?

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                    • DuluthD Duluth

                      The numbers are quite low.. I worked it out. It was the numbers at the end of round four

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                      @Duluth said in All Blacks 2023:

                      The numbers are quite low.. I worked it out. It was the numbers at the end of round four

                      Sotutu was the form No. 8 pre Easter. Had better of Jacobson in the April encounter. Can't remember when his 'All Black' rest was taken.

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                        @Bones Who posted it?

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                        @pakman

                        I checked that too. It was Hamish McKay. He was just making the point that Sotutu is a good player and he predicts he will be back next year. He compared him to Zinzan in the early 90's

                        I don't think he was being deliberately misleading with the image

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                          If you ask a Saffer why they rated Reado so highly, it wasn't because of his hard shoulders! There needs to be some variety.

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                            If you ask a Saffer why they rated Reado so highly, it wasn't because of his hard shoulders! There needs to be some variety.

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                            @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

                            If you ask a Saffer why they rated Reado so highly, it wasn't because of his hard shoulders! There needs to be some variety.

                            But he did have hard shoulders. Friggen smashed people at times.

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                              @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

                              If you ask a Saffer why they rated Reado so highly, it wasn't because of his hard shoulders! There needs to be some variety.

                              But he did have hard shoulders. Friggen smashed people at times.

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                              @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2023:

                              @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

                              If you ask a Saffer why they rated Reado so highly, it wasn't because of his hard shoulders! There needs to be some variety.

                              But he did have hard shoulders. Friggen smashed people at times.

                              You completely missed the point. Hard shoulders are a dime a dozen in in SA. It was Reado’s passing and linking which set him apart.

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                                I think those stats are sometimes unfair to certain players. Obviously Akira is being asked to play wider, so doesn't have the opportunity to get those high tackle stats that loosies playing a much tighter game get.
                                I think he looks great when he plays a tight game, but I wonder if he doesn't like to do that or is being told to play a wider game? He definitely has the power to drive guys back in close.

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                                  Hoskins is only 24 with an exceptional skill set ,

                                  He is young enough to come back from this , it’s all up to him and how much he wants it

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                                    Hoskins is only 24 with an exceptional skill set ,

                                    He is young enough to come back from this , it’s all up to him and how much he wants it

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                                    @kiwiinmelb ... and who he's competing with.

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                                      @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2023:

                                      @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

                                      If you ask a Saffer why they rated Reado so highly, it wasn't because of his hard shoulders! There needs to be some variety.

                                      But he did have hard shoulders. Friggen smashed people at times.

                                      You completely missed the point. Hard shoulders are a dime a dozen in in SA. It was Reado’s passing and linking which set him apart.

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                                      @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

                                      @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2023:

                                      @pakman said in All Blacks 2023:

                                      If you ask a Saffer why they rated Reado so highly, it wasn't because of his hard shoulders! There needs to be some variety.

                                      But he did have hard shoulders. Friggen smashed people at times.

                                      You completely missed the point. Hard shoulders are a dime a dozen in in SA. It was Reado’s passing and linking which set him apart.

                                      Nah, got that. Was just pointing out his especially "hard shoulders":beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: Think I just wanted to use the new buzzword....

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                                        @kiwiinmelb ... and who he's competing with.

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                                        @Stargazer I don’t really understand the question , now it’s pretty obvious.

                                        The future with retirements , injuries , exodus of players , who knows ?

                                        My point is , plenty of players have missed selection and gone on to have good international careers, it’s not like he is old . Next World Cup he will be 28 .

                                        Kaino , nonu , ardie, ben smith a few examples of players missing selections early that went ok later .

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                                        • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

                                          Hoskins is only 24 with an exceptional skill set ,

                                          He is young enough to come back from this , it’s all up to him and how much he wants it

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                                          @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2023:

                                          Hoskins is only 24 with an exceptional skill set ,

                                          He is young enough to come back from this , it’s all up to him and how much he wants it

                                          He could do a lot worse than to ask Reado for some mentoring. Counties mafia?

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