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Good on these two women for calling it out for what it is
Fucking ridiculous
Hopefully the tide is turning
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New category being trialled:
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@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
New category being trialled:
oh just fuck off
There'll be some bloke who'll net 27 golds in one meet ffs
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@MiketheSnow said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@MajorRage said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
New category being trialled:
oh just fuck off
There'll be some bloke who'll net 27 golds in one meet ffs
Likely, as he'll probably be the only one competing.
I actually think this is a good move as it will either provide a platform for trans people to compete more fairly or it will just show it up for the extremely niche issue that it is.
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@Catogrande it's open isn't it? Why wouldn't men enter both comps, bonus being if they miss out in the men's it provides medal insurance.
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@Bones said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Catogrande it's open isn't it? Why wouldn't men enter both comps, bonus being if they miss out in the men's it provides medal insurance.
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Not quite too sure how outraged to be about this one.
After all we had a chick fill in for us in our indoor team back in my late teens who went on to represent NZ and just this summer the potential future Mrs MN5 did bowl me out in a bit of BYC while I was trying to chug a beer and bat one handed at the same time
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@MN5 said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Not quite too sure how outraged to be about this one.
After all we had a chick fill in for us in our indoor team back in my late teens who went on to represent NZ and just this summer the potential future Mrs MN5 did bowl me out in a bit of BYC while I was trying to chug a beer and bat one handed at the same time
Gone the whole hog?
Middle and offBox or no box?
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@Donsteppa Aren't the bats and pads the same size and strength though? Might be a little tricky for running between the wickets when the ball rockets in from fine leg or third man when you are taking one more for the throw!
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Why can’t these useless blokes stop fucking up female sport?
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@Higgins said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Donsteppa Aren't the bats and pads the same size and strength though?
Yes. Though Tayla Vlaeminck is about the only quick I can think of top of mind who is consistently close in speed to international men's cricket.
Setting aside transgender for a mo, one of the challenges in Junior and Youth cricket can be finding fair matchups in situations where there may be enough players for perhaps one or two girls teams, but not enough for a whole grade of them. So games against boys teams become a given. Mismatches happen (but do work both ways, especially if older girls teams end up in younger boys grades).
My take would be that in an even contest, bowling speed matters less than say skill, variation etc does. But in an uneven contest...
Back to transgender, I have wondered whether or not that becomes more complicated for fairness & inclusion if the proverbial tearaway fast bowler is permanently in one of the teams at a lower grade.
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Just read pretty much the whole thread, its interesting to watch a couple of things happen throughout:
- Almost everyone agrees that male advantage is not alleviated simply by reducing testosterone levels from the beginning of the thread.
- Most people at the beginning demonstrated a sense of ‘men in women’s sport is inevitable, the direction of travel is only one way as the trans lobby owns the debate.’
Over the last 3 years, as the number of cases increased, and people protested, the governing bodies of most sports have acknowledged that fairness is important and sought ways to restrict the women’s categories.
Long way to go, plenty of decisions to be made and those already made to be implemented, but i believe we’re heading in the right direction. There is still misinformation about when people like Neil DeGrasse Tyson state that Semenya is female etc but we’re getting there.
Gradually males are being rightly excluded from women’s sport, importantly, not from sport as a whole, just from a protected class of sport that they don’t qualify for.
The science is pretty much conclusive, retained advantage comes from way more than just higher testosterone levels. The likes of Hilton and Tucker are winning that debate.
The increasing outcome appears to be men’s, womens, and non binary / other categories. At first, this seems reasonable, but what it really means is that there are two men’s categories, so 2 thirds of prize money goes to men. This would reverse almost instantly if we split the prize money 50% women, 50% to be split between male and NB. I think that would be an interesting experiment.
Professional sport therefore is heading in the right direction. The amateur ranks though, there is still a long way to go. The likes of Park Run are increasingly seeing women’s records being taken by NB or trans identifying males.
We need to keep the pressure up, we need to keep arguing for fairness. IMO the genie is out of the bottle, scrutiny and light are the long term solutions but we need to move quickly to ensure a generation of girls and women don’t give up in the face of this onslaught on their sport.
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Keep up the pressure boys ... genie, bottle, light, scrutiny, onslaught
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