All Blacks 2023
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Wouldn't you have to ask someone to step down? Or deselct themself? Can't really say see you to an uninjured wainger for a loosie could you.
Mind you, a wing that can be got shot of can get full test against Boks, and maybe an injury?@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
Wouldn't you have to ask someone to step down? Or deselct themself? Can't really say see you to an uninjured wainger for a loosie could you.
The original selection was a huge fuck up wasn't it. I might be wrong but I thought until the final RWC squad submission is made, they can still make changes.
It's fucking hard and unfair on the outside back who has to be dropped though, and for that reason I don't think Foster will do it.
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It's a real pisser because Foster didn't select a ready-made like for like replacement in Finau or select an extra lock because it so important to have five wingers for training or something.
Barrett has to stay at lock, which probably means Jacobsen to 6.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
Wouldn't you have to ask someone to step down? Or deselct themself? Can't really say see you to an uninjured wainger for a loosie could you.
The original selection was a huge fuck up wasn't it. I might be wrong but I thought until the final RWC squad submission is made, they can still make changes.
It's fucking hard and unfair on the outside back who has to be dropped though, and for that reason I don't think Foster will do it.
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:
Wouldn't you have to ask someone to step down? Or deselct themself? Can't really say see you to an uninjured wainger for a loosie could you.
The original selection was a huge fuck up wasn't it. I might be wrong but I thought until the final RWC squad submission is made, they can still make changes.
It's fucking hard and unfair on the outside back who has to be dropped though, and for that reason I don't think Foster will do it.
Well personally I hope he doesn't do it, if Frizell looks too iffy and Finau has a ripper against Boks, he will just replace Frizzell. And if Finau doesn't kill it against Boks we will be happy he not there perhaps? In meantime Jacobson is ok as replacement.
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I'd drop Narawa.
Telea can play 14 or 11, Jordan can play 14.Good thing is, Bok game at Twickers is Aug. 25, whereas final submission for WC squad is Aug 28.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2023:
I'd drop Narawa.
Was Telea can play 14 or 11, Jordan can play 14.The prudent thing to do is to drop a winger, as unfair as that might be on the player being dropped. Doubt that Foster has the balls to make that tough call though.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2023:
I'd drop Narawa.
Was Telea can play 14 or 11, Jordan can play 14.The prudent thing to do is to drop a winger, as unfair as that might be on the player being dropped. Doubt that Foster has the balls to make that tough call though.
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well there you fucking go. you gambled and you're losing. 4 locks and 5 loosies and you're down 2 early doors already.
Looks like @ACT-Crusader was right, LF to blindside for the France game.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
well there you fucking go. you gambled and you're losing. 4 locks and 5 loosies and you're down 2 early doors already.
Looks like @ACT-Crusader was right, LF to blindside for the France game.
Interestingly Ireland only have 5 loosies in their current squad. Although they have 5 locks.
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the real fun begins if we lose another forward against the Boks to a 3 week type injury. Then they are forced in to a hard call just to field a team.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
the real fun begins if we lose another forward against the Boks to a 3 week
type injuryban. Then they are forced in to a hard call just to field a team.Fixed
Fozzie ain't dropping no one.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
They have 3 fit locks and 4 fit loosies.
Fucking hell.
2 fit locks and 1 Whitelock
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Jacobson has to line up at 6 against the Boks too, you would think.
Bit wild, getting his first two starts since 2021 in back to back matches against the Boks and then France in a WC opener.
Probably should have been given a good run earlier in the year...
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Jacobson has to line up at 6 against the Boks too, you would think.
Bit wild, getting his first two starts since 2021 in back to back matches against the Boks and then France in a WC opener.
Probably should have been given a good run earlier in the year...
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2023:
Jacobson has to line up at 6 against the Boks too, you would think.
Bit wild, getting his first two starts since 2021 in back to back matches against the Boks and then France in a WC opener.
Probably should have been given a good run earlier in the year...
In an ideal world, yes, but I think considering his injuries and head knocks the coaches have handled him relatively well..
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Pretty interesting stuff. The players fought for Fozzie’s job.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2023:
@Chris I think that's the key, being able to adapt and adjust.
In years gone by, more often we were able to control the play and tempo, and even when we didn't we had superior fitness to outrun teams...
Now we seem to rely on an old game plan that is proven to be ineffective in tight battles with top teams, we are no longer fitter than everyone else, we have lost our cutting edge, relying on a once tried and true formula...are we too arrogant to see the successes of others and learn from them, then improve them.
Yep I think it's what I mentioned we no longer seem to coach skills at NPC or super level. When we were at our best we had a team of WC players who could beat teams with skill, we don't have the same anymore, and as Jason Ryan says they they were picking players to go same direct style that Edie Jones talked of.
I don't think it's as simple as no longer having the skill, or being coached the skill. I think the Lions series showed how to stifle the ABs and defences have evolved from there. The highly skilled fast pace game the ABs try to play struggles against such defences because it is a very big ask for players to execute the required skills game after game under immense pressure. Doubly so in WC knockout games.
The offside line was pretty poor applied in that series IMO, but generally agree with the sentiment that the rush defenses got better and combined with a lack of strong (often world class) center combos (Nonu Smith and SBW) the ABs have never looked the same since... (not blaming just the centers - just that from set plays they are where the pressure is primarily directed)
The other comment I would make, is that I feel a lot of players have been elevated through school boy and NPC rugby and simply have not developed from the flat track bully days of their youth, which to my mind is a coaching development issue.
@Mattasaurus cough Hansen cough SBW.
Had Hansen stayed with RC and ALB we may have performed better. For a start, RC wouldn't have been sent off.
