Scott Kuggeleijn sex trial
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<p>But the issue is that he admitted he was told no, and never received any consent. But closing statements are expected tomorrow, so will probably see a verdict either late tomorrow, or Friday. This could be a massive wake up call for men in professional sport (any young men really), who are well known for throwing their hips into everything and anything on Saturday nights.</p>
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<p>I find it strange that she didn't call out for help in a crowded house whilst she was being allegedly raped.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="600761" data-time="1469652294">
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<p>I find it strange that she didn't call out for help in a crowded house whilst she was being allegedly raped.</p>
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<p>Utter fear does that to a person. People freeze and can hardly breathe, let alone scream.</p>
<p>If he threatened her, she wouldn't have screamed out of fear either.</p>
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<p>Two people got on the piss and spent the night together. Who the fuck knows what actually happened. He said / she said based on hazy memories. Pretty tough one for the courts to sort out.</p>
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The major issue is the statements from witnesses saying he was told no a number of times. Witnesses who were told this by Kuggeleijn. So he is basically admitting he didn't have consent. It's like knocking at the door of someone you know, being told not today and walking in anyway.
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<p>bizaare conversation to have with your mates TBH...</p>
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<p>so did you score last night:</p>
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<p>Yeah bro</p>
<p>Nah bro</p>
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<p>But the conversations has kinda gone - yeah mate I scored, but man I had to work on her, she said no loads, but eventually gave in.</p> -
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<p>Utter fear does that to a person. People freeze and can hardly breathe, let alone scream.</p>
<p>If he threatened her, she wouldn't have screamed out of fear either.</p>
<p>Be careful not to resort to victim blaming here.</p>
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<p>You need to be careful assuming there is a victim. </p>
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<p>As for utter fear.... was she afraid of physical violence if she didnt have sex or had called for help? What evidence has been presented to support that? Are you or the prosecution suggesting that she was so scared that she was struck mute? Despite knowing that help and a solution to the threat was one good yell away?</p> -
<p>saw this on FB, assume it relates to this case?</p>
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<p>I'm gunna start going home with random very drunk guys and stealing all of their shit. Everything they own. It won't be my fault though... they were drunk. They<span>...</span><span> should have known better. I'll get away with it 90% of the time but then when one brave man takes me to court over it, I'll argue that I wasn't sure if he meant it when he said 'no don't steal my Audi.' I just wasn't sure if he meant it. I said 'Can I please steal your Gucci watch?' He said 'no' but I just wasn't sure if he meant it. He was drunk.He brought this on himself. You should have seen how he was dressed at the club, expensive shirts and shoes. What kind of message is he sending with that!? I thought he wanted me to come and steal all of his shit. He was asking for it. When he said 'no' to me taking everything he owned I just didn't know if he meant it. 'No' isn't objective enough, it could mean anything.</span></p>
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<p>Hypothetically speaking, trying to talk a girl who's saying no into having sex is a high risk manoeuvre. If she says no best to bug out and move on</p>
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<br><p>That's what I'd do if I was ever rejected. Assuming I didn't die of shock.</p>
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<p>I've deleted half of this thread</p>
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<p>For matters before the court, please provide a source if you are stating something as a fact</p>
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Why were they sleeping in the same bed?
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<p>That's what I'd do if I was ever rejected. Assuming I didn't die of shock.</p>
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<p>What's with all the food stains? Breakfast in Bed?</p> -
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Why does that matter?</p></blockquote>
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<p>Yes, why would that little detail have any significance in a rape case.<br><br>
I'm not judging either of the parties I'm just wondering why they were sleeping in the same bed.</p>
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<p>I am not sure why they shouldnt?</p> -
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That's the thing aye, doesn't matter if she wanted to fool a bit, the minute she says no that's game over...</p></blockquote>
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<p>I've had a few occasions like that, I asked, she said no, I turned over and went to sleep...</p>
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<p>Ended up at a house due to mate shagging the friend, other bird was keen on me, just not on sex straight away..</p>
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<p>another one I woke in the morning and went to sneak out only to realise I had no idea where I was...wasnt much fun.</p>
