All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
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@African-Monkey we just got humped by a record score in the lead up. Are you serious? This is Foster ball all over. Top team haven't played for a few weeks and rolls out the B/C side in Dunedin, another two weeks off and the top team gets humped. And then we have France after another two weeks off. France would put 70 on us with a two man advantage.
@Joans-Town-Jones It's a meaningless fixture at the end of the day. Yeah, we shouldn't be getting smashed, but better to happen now then when it counts.
We already smashed the Boks this year with something on the line yet that doesn't seem to matter now?
Some real drama queens on here at times.
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Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
People definitely weren't saying this after we schooled the Boks at Mt Smart and Richie Mo scored 20+ points...
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Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
@ACT-Crusader Yup, happens every time
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@BerhamporeNinja said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Well done SA!, along w the loss we're gonna take alot from that game! Roigard our no.2, ALB is still trash,Newell is not good enough, Degroot is too slow around field and still unfit to be effective at scrum time, Telea's a definite starter
I'm intrigued you watched the game, and one of the big things you took out of it was de Groot isn't the answer? The scrum largely held whilst he was on, but once he departed Williams got wrecked. He also carried much better than Williams.
@frugby lol our whole fwd pack got pumped! i thought Williams held is own whilst Newel was getting owned, and I still think Degroot is a liability on cover defence hes too slow to get across, missed some crucial tackles
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Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
I want to see them kicking long and starting the game in their territory - especially when you are struggling to win contact. Mounga can play that game. Not sure about Beaudy?
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@ACT-Crusader Yup, happens every time
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader Yup, happens every time
But you know if I was picking the team it would’ve been Moody, Taylor, Newell, Whitelock….
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Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
We were camped in our 22 as a result.
Also because the best territory kicker in the squad is Roigard - our starting backline can't flip field position with distance exits
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Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
Very well said
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@His-Bobness I don’t think the ABs are a poor team now. I just think the strategy they have is wrong. It all starts with a high risk kicking game. A blindside bomb in their 22, cross kicks in our 22… the mindset is wrong for tight test matches.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@His-Bobness I don’t think the ABs are a poor team now. I just think the strategy they have is wrong. It all starts with a high risk kicking game. A blindside bomb in their 22, cross kicks in our 22… the mindset is wrong for tight test matches.
Being beaten by a record 28 points is the definition NOT a tight test match
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@frugby lol our whole fwd pack got pumped! i thought Williams held is own whilst Newel was getting owned, and I still think Degroot is a liability on cover defence hes too slow to get across, missed some crucial tackles
@BerhamporeNinja said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby lol our whole fwd pack got pumped! i thought Williams held is own whilst Newel was getting owned, and I still think Degroot is a liability on cover defence hes too slow to get across, missed some crucial tackles
Well let's play Williams instead and see how we get on. Exactly like 2019 when we dropped Franks in the favour of ball playing props (Laulala, the irony). It didn't work, test rugby is won by having props who carried hard, not dynamically, just going hard up the guts, and scrummaging well. Williams got schooled, which can probably be explained partially by the locks behind him. Newell was the one more or less holding.
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Yeah well thank god that's over.
Am not as despondent as I should be.
I reckon this tipped on the first scrum penalty. Which the ref had to really search for.
After that it just compounded.
Maybe we'd have been better off conceding the try and getting back to halfway.
7-nil vs 13 for 8 minutes, then a flakey intercept. All the rest of the points came against 14 players and 7 forwards.
Add in that we were shit at pretty much eveything.
As @taniwharugby said this isn't the dominantion the score suggests.
A lot of that is fixable. Whether it will be is the question.
Big problem for me is does Bozo of the Barretts have an appointment with the Beak and get a game off?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Big problem for me is does Bozo of the Barretts have an appointment with the Beak and get a game off?
A red card - regardless of what it's for - always means an appointment with the juciary. But a red card for two yellows, especially if one or both are team yellows, often results in "time served". So no suspension. Fingers crossed that that happens this time, as well. Otherwise, it's one game max, unless they decide it was a real red card for some reason.
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Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
@ACT-Crusader not just the fern, the whole NZ every man and his opinion is a Steve Hansen its all good lol
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Aaron Smith was mixed. That pass to nobody on our line a big turning point.
Have to watch it again, but looked like the ball just slipped out his hands? Felt he tried to give us tempo, which he did well - his kicking wasn't great, I'll give you that.
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Ref was annoying me probably just cos we lost
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
Very well said
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don’t ya love a Fern thread after an AB loss.
Time to unload on our preconditioned selection issues or talk about players “we missed” or about the mentality of certain players.
We got beaten. We gave away a shed load of penalties. We were camped in our 22 as a result. We made errors when we had some momentum. We didn’t get the result we wanted just before half time with that try. We had cards. Boks capitalised on us having to defend for long periods.
Very well said
So you guys think it's ok to be spanked by 28 points cos reasons? Fuck that tier 2 attitude, fuck that to death. There is always reasons it happens, doesn't make the performance excusable or anything but another strain on the abs legacy
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
We were camped in our 22 as a result.
Also because the best territory kicker in the squad is Roigard - our starting backline can't flip field position with distance exits
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Also because the best territory kicker in the squad is Roigard - our starting backline can't flip field position with distance exits
I'd add DMac to that. Even Jordie's kicks to touch were poor compared to LIbbok.
