All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
People definitely weren't saying this after we schooled the Boks at Mt Smart and Richie Mo scored 20+ points...
But do you get my point? Ive seen Carter turn the tide on his own when we are getting pumped (many times). Brisbane 2008 (I think it was Brisbane) was a god like performance for example in a defeat.
Carter could get us down their end, eek out kickable penalties due to field position and pressure.
Take it to the line and engage their backrow.
Sexton does that every game aged 37. Beaudy and Richie are hovering around behind pods of forwards.
DC and co were very good at (well everything) playing percentage footy was a given .... play in the right areas of the field
We didn't effectively exit once today- and its hard to recall them trying to exit properly more than 1 or 2 times... we put a lot of pressure on ourselves with creative "anti-exits" eg Bombs, and cross kicks, and compounded it further with poor handling and options.@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Worried about the situation at 10.
I cannot visualise Mo'unga or Barrett schooling the French or Irish and after today the Boks.
I just can't see it.
Flat track fly halves.
I haven't seen a dragging a game by the scruff of the neck performance from ether of them in recent memory.
People definitely weren't saying this after we schooled the Boks at Mt Smart and Richie Mo scored 20+ points...
But do you get my point? Ive seen Carter turn the tide on his own when we are getting pumped (many times). Brisbane 2008 (I think it was Brisbane) was a god like performance for example in a defeat.
Carter could get us down their end, eek out kickable penalties due to field position and pressure.
Take it to the line and engage their backrow.
Sexton does that every game aged 37. Beaudy and Richie are hovering around behind pods of forwards.
DC and co were very good at (well everything) playing percentage footy was a given .... play in the right areas of the field
We didn't effectively exit once today- and its hard to recall them trying to exit properly more than 1 or 2 times... we put a lot of pressure on ourselves with creative "anti-exits" eg Bombs, and cross kicks, and compounded it further with poor handling and options.The best exit was when Roigard banged it all the way down and the Bok had a poor return and we got territory. Simple stuff really.
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@chimoaus
And Jordie Barrett’s defense tonight
Sam Cane was just not there
Jacobsen not good enough
De Groot smashed in the scrumsFucking everything was a concern.
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@chimoaus
And Jordie Barrett’s defense tonight
Sam Cane was just not there
Jacobsen not good enough
De Groot smashed in the scrumsFucking everything was a concern.
I hope Foster has enough space in his dairy for all the lessons from today.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Each and every match I’m baffled that Telea and Jordan see so little of the ball
Aside from Roigard no one looked remotely like breaking the gain line and/or scoring a try this evening
I don’t know that we held the ball for more than two or three phases. We were so poor at retaining possession we never got into a pattern that used our wingers.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Each and every match I’m baffled that Telea and Jordan see so little of the ball
Aside from Roigard no one looked remotely like breaking the gain line and/or scoring a try this evening
I don’t know that we held the ball for more than two or three phases. We were so poor at retaining possession we never got into a pattern that used our wingers.
Yeah, I can't remember Ioane having too many touches on attack either.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Hammering
Boks barely got out of 3rd gear
We didn't get out of first, so not completely flattering.
Both SA’s choice
Not entirely. We chose to:
- Forget how to catch
- miss easy shots
- play dumb footy in our 22 (costing two tries)
- throw poorly to lineouts
- give away dumb penalties
and - play with, on average, a man down for the whole match.
Excuses? Maybe.
Remeber just over a month ago we made them look equally average.
Honestly, that first penalty not given and I don't see this happening.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@chimoaus
And Jordie Barrett’s defense tonight
Sam Cane was just not there
Jacobsen not good enough
De Groot smashed in the scrumsFucking everything was a concern.
I hope Foster has enough space in his dairy for all the lessons from today.
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@chimoaus
And Jordie Barrett’s defense tonight
Sam Cane was just not there
Jacobsen not good enough
De Groot smashed in the scrumsFucking everything was a concern.
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That diary should be full from the last 3 years of the same shit we saw in this game.
Lessons not learned.@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
That diary should be full from the last 3 years of the same shit we saw in this game.
Lessons not learned.We need a meme of Foster at the chalkboard Bart Simpson style rewriting the same learnings over and over.
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@Chris think the scrums sans SB for 55 mins is not a major, handling and lineout were abysmal.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
That diary should be full from the last 3 years of the same shit we saw in this game.
Lessons not learned.We need a meme of Foster at the chalkboard Bart Simpson style rewriting the same learnings over and over.
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@taniwharugby hence my question pre pick off. Would an ABs loss affect the ABs more psychologically than a SA loss. I believe it will. SA can get up for one off games. I doubt we can. Not for 7 at least.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@taniwharugby hence my question pre pick off. Would an ABs loss affect the ABs more psychologically than a SA loss. I believe it will. SA can get up for one off games. I doubt we can. Not for 7 at least.
Dunno , we have responded well to disappointing performances in the past ,
My concern has always been around consistency and stringing together good performances , which is what’s required to win this cup , I was hoping we had turned that corner , and then today happens
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That diary should be full from the last 3 years of the same shit we saw in this game.
Lessons not learned. -
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
That diary should be full from the last 3 years of the same shit we saw in this game.
Lessons not learned.Plenty of lessons for Jase Ryan too. His forward pack got bitch slapped.
100% just really fucked off that dumb weak performance,
France will eat us alive if we play like that.
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@chimoaus
And Jordie Barrett’s defense tonight
Sam Cane was just not there
Jacobsen not good enough
De Groot smashed in the scrumsFucking everything was a concern.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Hammering
Boks barely got out of 3rd gear
We didn't get out of first, so not completely flattering.
Both SA’s choice
Not entirely. We chose to:
- Forget how to catch
- miss easy shots
- play dumb footy in our 22 (costing two tries)
- throw poorly to lineouts
- give away dumb penalties
and - play with, on average, a man down for the whole match.
Excuses? Maybe.
Remeber just over a month ago we made them look equally average.
Honestly, that first penalty not given and I don't see this happening.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Hammering
Boks barely got out of 3rd gear
We didn't get out of first, so not completely flattering.
Both SA’s choice
Not entirely. We chose to:
- Forget how to catch
- miss easy shots
- play dumb footy in our 22 (costing two tries)
- throw poorly to lineouts
- give away dumb penalties
and - play with, on average, a man down for the whole match.
Excuses? Maybe.
Remeber just over a month ago we made them look equally average.
Honestly, that first penalty not given and I don't see this happening.
They need to win contact to play the high risk kicking game. Why would you play a game that gives the Boks territory to play their pressure game?
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The first half took 60 minutes to complete.
110 Queen Quids to watch the refs, touch judges and TMO take centre stage.
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
The first half took 60 minutes to complete.
110 Queen Quids to watch the refs, touch judges and TMO take centre stage.
This, bloody frustrating
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De groot got done twice when we had our starting 8 on.
@Chris still don't feel the scrum is as bigger concern, biggest is if we can get up off the canvas.
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Ok, the game meant a helluva a lot more to the Boks than our boys and they have been in Europe for much longer. One of those games under Foster and there have been a few where the All Blacks looked hideously under-prepared for some reason.
Flush the toilet and move on. The real business starts in two weeks time when there is a lot more at stake than the Qatar Airways Cup. A lot to work on ahead of France. Go Black!
