All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@Duluth so anyone held at a ruck has the right to just reply by punching in the head, jog on…
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
A record loss is a different thing, tho
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@Duluth so anyone held at a ruck has the right to just reply by punching in the head, jog on…
@Stag said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
so anyone held at a ruck has the right to just reply by punching in the head, jog on…
It was mostly slaps on the back. This happens in every match.
Gamesmanship from Jacobson with a performative repsonse from the player held. The ref saw it and recognised it was nothing
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@Stag said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Duluth so anyone held at a ruck has the right to just reply by punching in the head, jog on…
Their arm, yes. Head is red card, he should be cited
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Stag said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Duluth so anyone held at a ruck has the right to just reply by punching in the head, jog on…
Their arm, yes. Head is red card, he should be cited
Back of the shoulder & middle of the back.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
The Boks did put an under done team against us in Auckland,most of that Bok team had not played since The end of the premiership months earlier.
Maybe that win was a false dawn.
Even the Argies we beat were under done had only been together a few days and had not played for months ,
Maybe we got a false hope from those performances but if you look closer it doesn’t look as impressive as we first thought. -
It changes how I look at that quarter final ,
I was thinking hope it’s SA , now it doesn’t matter , I don’t believe we start favourites in either options .
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I understand player welfare etc but I would be curious to see how many minutes each player in the squad has played since the end of super rugby. Some would have very little game time which must make it hard to be consistent when you are training for 99% of the time.
Edit: In saying that Roigard probably has very few but has been stellar in all his minutes in black so far.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
The Boks did put an under done team against us in Auckland,most of that Bok team had not played since The end of the premiership months earlier.
Maybe that win was a false dawn.
Even the Argies we beat were under done had only been together a few days and had not played for months ,
Maybe we got a false hope from those performances but if you look closer it doesn’t look as impressive as we first thought.@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
The Boks did put an under done team against us in Auckland,most of that Bok team had not played since The end of the premiership months earlier.
Maybe that win was a false dawn.
Even the Argies we beat were under done had only been together a few days and had not played for months ,
Maybe we got a false hope from those performances but if you look closer it doesn’t look as impressive as we first thought.We haven’t yet played a good 60 or 80 minutes. Just 40. World Cups are about test match grind. Earning the right to go wide by winning contact, playing territory, minimising mistakes so you control your destiny. I love it when our guys play with ball in hand and move wide but that first 40 was everything you don’t want to see - shitty exits, high penalty count, binned players. So the question is what is the game plan? Because the one today isn’t the right one.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
The Boks did put an under done team against us in Auckland,most of that Bok team had not played since The end of the premiership months earlier.
Maybe that win was a false dawn.
Even the Argies we beat were under done had only been together a few days and had not played for months ,
Maybe we got a false hope from those performances but if you look closer it doesn’t look as impressive as we first thought.We haven’t yet played a good 60 or 80 minutes. Just 40. World Cups are about test match grind. Earning the right to go wide by winning contact, playing territory, minimising mistakes so you control your destiny. I love it when our guys play with ball in hand and move wide but that first 40 was everything you don’t want to see - shitty exits, high penalty count, binned players. So the question is what is the game plan? Because the one today isn’t the right one.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
@KiwiMurph own goal bro
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
The Boks did put an under done team against us in Auckland,most of that Bok team had not played since The end of the premiership months earlier.
Maybe that win was a false dawn.
Even the Argies we beat were under done had only been together a few days and had not played for months ,
Maybe we got a false hope from those performances but if you look closer it doesn’t look as impressive as we first thought.@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
The Boks did put an under done team against us in Auckland,most of that Bok team had not played since The end of the premiership months earlier.
Maybe that win was a false dawn.
Even the Argies we beat were under done had only been together a few days and had not played for months ,
Maybe we got a false hope from those performances but if you look closer it doesn’t look as impressive as we first thought.That's true but you could flip the script and say the same thing about the Boks for this game. ABs top team hadn't played since Melb and was a RWC warm up game and ABs spent the majority of the game at least 1 man down due to cards
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
The Boks did put an under done team against us in Auckland,most of that Bok team had not played since The end of the premiership months earlier.
Maybe that win was a false dawn.
Even the Argies we beat were under done had only been together a few days and had not played for months ,
Maybe we got a false hope from those performances but if you look closer it doesn’t look as impressive as we first thought.That's true but you could flip the script and say the same thing about the Boks for this game. ABs top team hadn't played since Melb and was a RWC warm up game and ABs spent the majority of the game at least 1 man down due to cards
Yes you could, But I wonder if we were blinded a bit by those RC performances,
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I don’t know about others, but I’m less concerned about this result than other losses. It had a bit of the Chicago match feel to it.
It’s strange because I hate losing to the Boks - my hatiest team by far.
Yeah it’s a loss and much will be made of it given its proximity to the RWC, but I don’t think it means squat. I doubt the team will be thinking about last night when they run out against France or the other pool matches.
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I don’t know about others, but I’m less concerned about this result than other losses. It had a bit of the Chicago match feel to it.
It’s strange because I hate losing to the Boks - my hatiest team by far.
Yeah it’s a loss and much will be made of it given its proximity to the RWC, but I don’t think it means squat. I doubt the team will be thinking about last night when they run out against France or the other pool matches.
@ACT-Crusader it was another record under Foster. I think this shows we can't play finals footy. And Foster with such limited game time and big gaps between games, can't draw two 80 min performances together.
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I don’t know about others, but I’m less concerned about this result than other losses. It had a bit of the Chicago match feel to it.
It’s strange because I hate losing to the Boks - my hatiest team by far.
Yeah it’s a loss and much will be made of it given its proximity to the RWC, but I don’t think it means squat. I doubt the team will be thinking about last night when they run out against France or the other pool matches.
@ACT-Crusader and if we meet them again in the RWC, they will need to temper thier complacency.
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So, I need to go for a walk before the big game of the weekend in 2 hours, but not really sure what to make of that.
Ryan was getting a lot of fluffing in the lead up to this match, therefore is he taking the lions share of the blame for this loss considering the ABs failed spectacularly in the set piece?
Also, why the fuck don't NZ teams clear the ball from our own 22. It seems like a disease in all NZ rugby. Two of the tries (I think) can be partially attributed us fucking around.
Was Smith's pass to Cane behind the line the worst pass of his entire career?
The first scrum penalty was hilarious, the ref said for elbow touching the ground, on the replay he raises his arm before the elbow touches the ground. Plus, Vermeulen should have been penalised for lying in the ruck, not babied by the ref for a non injury. We probably deserved a lot of those early penalties but not sure we were getting any rub of the green.
Roigard had great input.
Not a great night for the Barrett whanau.
In that early period in between the first and second tries where we held them out for ages I think Cane did some captaining, the type of stuff people complain he doesn't do, he was questioning the ref and relaying stuff to the players, and for a time it was working.
I'm not sure whether this actually hindered our preparation or helped us - this seems like a good moment to make a pact.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Also, why the fuck don't NZ teams clear the ball from our own 22. It seems like a disease in all NZ rugby. Two of the tries (I think) can be partially attributed us fucking around.
It is quite unbelievable, and it has been this way for a number of years. I'd like to know the percentage of opposition tries related to this "disease" in the last four years. It is almost inevitable in an AB game.
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I don’t know about others, but I’m less concerned about this result than other losses. It had a bit of the Chicago match feel to it.
It’s strange because I hate losing to the Boks - my hatiest team by far.
Yeah it’s a loss and much will be made of it given its proximity to the RWC, but I don’t think it means squat. I doubt the team will be thinking about last night when they run out against France or the other pool matches.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I don’t know about others, but I’m less concerned about this result than other losses. It had a bit of the Chicago match feel to it.
It’s strange because I hate losing to the Boks - my hatiest team by far.
Yeah it’s a loss and much will be made of it given its proximity to the RWC, but I don’t think it means squat. I doubt the team will be thinking about last night when they run out against France or the other pool matches.
I had a fear before the game that they might bring a lot more intensity than us due to us feeling a bit more satisfied on how 2023 has gone to date , and them probably feeling like they need a big performance to make up for mt smart .
I get what you mean with the Chicago comparison,
heads not in the game, pants pulled down.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Biggest loss of all time and the guy doesn't even seem that upset.
What? Does he need to breakdown in tears?
Or remain calm and in control?
@booboo Fozzie and his team has certainly given us a roller coaster ride since 2019...the ride is almost over, I expect a couple more twists and turns still in store for us.
