All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
@KiwiMurph own goal bro
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
The Boks did put an under done team against us in Auckland,most of that Bok team had not played since The end of the premiership months earlier.
Maybe that win was a false dawn.
Even the Argies we beat were under done had only been together a few days and had not played for months ,
Maybe we got a false hope from those performances but if you look closer it doesn’t look as impressive as we first thought.@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
The Boks did put an under done team against us in Auckland,most of that Bok team had not played since The end of the premiership months earlier.
Maybe that win was a false dawn.
Even the Argies we beat were under done had only been together a few days and had not played for months ,
Maybe we got a false hope from those performances but if you look closer it doesn’t look as impressive as we first thought.That's true but you could flip the script and say the same thing about the Boks for this game. ABs top team hadn't played since Melb and was a RWC warm up game and ABs spent the majority of the game at least 1 man down due to cards
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Argentina was a statement win? SA? Good wins but hardly statements. They lost both second halves. Had an opportunity to put the wallabies to the sword in DUD but fucked around and almost found out.
So beating SA in Auckland one week after being in Argie isn't a statement win but losing to SA in Twickenham in a RWC warm up game is an example of blowing a statement win opportunity? That makes no sense.
The Boks did put an under done team against us in Auckland,most of that Bok team had not played since The end of the premiership months earlier.
Maybe that win was a false dawn.
Even the Argies we beat were under done had only been together a few days and had not played for months ,
Maybe we got a false hope from those performances but if you look closer it doesn’t look as impressive as we first thought.That's true but you could flip the script and say the same thing about the Boks for this game. ABs top team hadn't played since Melb and was a RWC warm up game and ABs spent the majority of the game at least 1 man down due to cards
Yes you could, But I wonder if we were blinded a bit by those RC performances,
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I don’t know about others, but I’m less concerned about this result than other losses. It had a bit of the Chicago match feel to it.
It’s strange because I hate losing to the Boks - my hatiest team by far.
Yeah it’s a loss and much will be made of it given its proximity to the RWC, but I don’t think it means squat. I doubt the team will be thinking about last night when they run out against France or the other pool matches.
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I don’t know about others, but I’m less concerned about this result than other losses. It had a bit of the Chicago match feel to it.
It’s strange because I hate losing to the Boks - my hatiest team by far.
Yeah it’s a loss and much will be made of it given its proximity to the RWC, but I don’t think it means squat. I doubt the team will be thinking about last night when they run out against France or the other pool matches.
@ACT-Crusader it was another record under Foster. I think this shows we can't play finals footy. And Foster with such limited game time and big gaps between games, can't draw two 80 min performances together.
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I don’t know about others, but I’m less concerned about this result than other losses. It had a bit of the Chicago match feel to it.
It’s strange because I hate losing to the Boks - my hatiest team by far.
Yeah it’s a loss and much will be made of it given its proximity to the RWC, but I don’t think it means squat. I doubt the team will be thinking about last night when they run out against France or the other pool matches.
@ACT-Crusader and if we meet them again in the RWC, they will need to temper thier complacency.
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So, I need to go for a walk before the big game of the weekend in 2 hours, but not really sure what to make of that.
Ryan was getting a lot of fluffing in the lead up to this match, therefore is he taking the lions share of the blame for this loss considering the ABs failed spectacularly in the set piece?
Also, why the fuck don't NZ teams clear the ball from our own 22. It seems like a disease in all NZ rugby. Two of the tries (I think) can be partially attributed us fucking around.
Was Smith's pass to Cane behind the line the worst pass of his entire career?
The first scrum penalty was hilarious, the ref said for elbow touching the ground, on the replay he raises his arm before the elbow touches the ground. Plus, Vermeulen should have been penalised for lying in the ruck, not babied by the ref for a non injury. We probably deserved a lot of those early penalties but not sure we were getting any rub of the green.
Roigard had great input.
Not a great night for the Barrett whanau.
In that early period in between the first and second tries where we held them out for ages I think Cane did some captaining, the type of stuff people complain he doesn't do, he was questioning the ref and relaying stuff to the players, and for a time it was working.
I'm not sure whether this actually hindered our preparation or helped us - this seems like a good moment to make a pact.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Also, why the fuck don't NZ teams clear the ball from our own 22. It seems like a disease in all NZ rugby. Two of the tries (I think) can be partially attributed us fucking around.
It is quite unbelievable, and it has been this way for a number of years. I'd like to know the percentage of opposition tries related to this "disease" in the last four years. It is almost inevitable in an AB game.
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I don’t know about others, but I’m less concerned about this result than other losses. It had a bit of the Chicago match feel to it.
It’s strange because I hate losing to the Boks - my hatiest team by far.
Yeah it’s a loss and much will be made of it given its proximity to the RWC, but I don’t think it means squat. I doubt the team will be thinking about last night when they run out against France or the other pool matches.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I don’t know about others, but I’m less concerned about this result than other losses. It had a bit of the Chicago match feel to it.
It’s strange because I hate losing to the Boks - my hatiest team by far.
Yeah it’s a loss and much will be made of it given its proximity to the RWC, but I don’t think it means squat. I doubt the team will be thinking about last night when they run out against France or the other pool matches.
I had a fear before the game that they might bring a lot more intensity than us due to us feeling a bit more satisfied on how 2023 has gone to date , and them probably feeling like they need a big performance to make up for mt smart .
I get what you mean with the Chicago comparison,
heads not in the game, pants pulled down.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Biggest loss of all time and the guy doesn't even seem that upset.
What? Does he need to breakdown in tears?
Or remain calm and in control?
@booboo Fozzie and his team has certainly given us a roller coaster ride since 2019...the ride is almost over, I expect a couple more twists and turns still in store for us.
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@booboo Fozzie and his team has certainly given us a roller coaster ride since 2019...the ride is almost over, I expect a couple more twists and turns still in store for us.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@booboo Fozzie and his team has certainly given us a roller coaster ride since 2019...the ride is almost over, I expect a couple more twists and turns still in store for us.
I'm confident, and the previous 4 wins didn't change my mind, that Foster will hold another 'record' for first-ever pool loss in an RWC. We'll play Ireland in the quarters, they will easily top their pool. That's my only hope that Ireland somehow cannot get the quarters monkey off their back - but reality says we're out then.
ABs back down to fourth in rankings, a position they have only ever held under Foster.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev SB's cleanout wasn't too different to Perth, and we know how that ended up.
You can’t have it both ways. We want guys hitting rucks and clearing bodies. He is our best by a long way. Sure he got it wrong because he had moved to side. But wasn’t dirty. He is the best NZ forward.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev SB's cleanout wasn't too different to Perth, and we know how that ended up.
You can’t have it both ways. We want guys hitting rucks and clearing bodies. He is our best by a long way. Sure he got it wrong because he had moved to side. But wasn’t dirty. He is the best NZ forward.
That was 100% dirty
The YC was the correct decision
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev SB's cleanout wasn't too different to Perth, and we know how that ended up.
You can’t have it both ways. We want guys hitting rucks and clearing bodies. He is our best by a long way. Sure he got it wrong because he had moved to side. But wasn’t dirty. He is the best NZ forward.
That was 100% dirty
The YC was the correct decision
@MiketheSnow what were your thoughts on Kolbes forearm to Roigards head after he scored?
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
https://twitter.com/GregAFC/status/1695194208888332741?s=20
Vermuelen is it? Punching Jacobsen 3 times in the head.
The third of which seemed particularly forceful.
Cane asked Carley about this to which he replied "no foul play" "and to stop holding players in the rucks".
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
https://twitter.com/GregAFC/status/1695194208888332741?s=20
Vermuelen is it? Punching Jacobsen 3 times in the head.
The third of which seemed particularly forceful.
Cane asked Carley about this to which he replied "no foul play" "and to stop holding players in the rucks".
Should have been a penalty to SA
Off your feet, out of the game
Deliberately holding a defender in
From that distance it looked more like slaps and forceful pushes than punches
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@MiketheSnow what were your thoughts on Kolbes forearm to Roigards head after he scored?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow what were your thoughts on Kolbes forearm to Roigards head after he scored?
Didn’t see a replay of it
Came in to dislodge the ball IMHO
If he did hit him in the head then he should have been censured there and then
Could well be cited
Any clips?
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If you couldn’t see the colour of the shirts and didn’t hear the names you’d swear you were watching England
When it’s good it’s very, very good (eg RWC 19 SF), when it’s bad it’s horrid (their warm up matches the past month)
Alarmingly like England there was no Plan B
And as the pressure mounted, instead of grinding it out and kicking the leather off the ball it was all a bit too training ground and fancy
Once that obviously failed then it was a succession of penalties and cards
It’s a simple game
Win possession, control it
Play rugby in the opposition 22
SA did exactly that and cantered home
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow what were your thoughts on Kolbes forearm to Roigards head after he scored?
Didn’t see a replay of it
Came in to dislodge the ball IMHO
If he did hit him in the head then he should have been censured there and then
Could well be cited
Any clips?
@MiketheSnow i havent seen any, however it wasnt a major, but seemed decent contact and seems too many players dive on players, knees first, shoulder, arms or whatever in the act of scoring and are almost always ignored, totally pointless, Kolbe was never dislodging the ball.
Elsewhere on the field, pen for sure.
Barrets act was more boneheaded than filthy IMO.
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@MiketheSnow i havent seen any, however it wasnt a major, but seemed decent contact and seems too many players dive on players, knees first, shoulder, arms or whatever in the act of scoring and are almost always ignored, totally pointless, Kolbe was never dislodging the ball.
Elsewhere on the field, pen for sure.
Barrets act was more boneheaded than filthy IMO.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow i havent seen any, however it wasnt a major, but seemed decent contact and seems too many players dive on players, knees first, shoulder, arms or whatever in the act of scoring and are almost always ignored, totally pointless, Kolbe was never dislodging the ball.
Barrets act was more boneheaded than filthy IMO.
Agreed
One of my pet peeves
Borderline interpretation of Scooter
The end result was dirty
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Haven't finished the game
Haven't read the threadI assume everyone is taking the advantage to blame this on Ian Foster
That's deluded. This is 100% an individual performance issue. The players let themselves down very fucking badly tonight. Very fucking badly. Dumb fucking penalties, missed tackles, missed ruck assignments, dropped balls. Have a look in the fucking mirror boys because you let your coaches down today.
@mariner4life I agree that it’s with the players, but the management are either coaching or allowing it to happen.
