All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
With hindsight, I’m not as bothered by the loss now as I was at the time .
I suspect when everything is going rosy, this team has a tendency to feel comfortable with where they are at.
Maybe this might create a sharper edge , being brought back to earth with a thud can do that , Ted used to speak about the benefits of a loss in the area of a mental reset .
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@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32. I guess the argument will be the ABs went beyond the mark of touch.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32.
Can't be bothered continuing once someone identifies they don't know wtf they're talking about. The law is clear; you can close the gap after the ball is thrown.
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Not sure whether this has been posted yet, but I found the bit about the studs and bench interesting.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So I completely missed this game and have very little appetite to seek out any highlights etc.
However, if what I've read here, there and everywhere is true, should we be concerned about the Italy game?
Italy are a big strong team, and if they can push us around up front .... is there a real chance we don't get out of the pool?
Serious question post, not taking the piss.
nah
this was a perfect storm of absolutely everything going wrong all at once. And you know what? We kick that penalty with our first chance, and Scott Barrett isn't a complete idiot, and who knows how the rest of the game goes. But we missed. Scotty dived. And we were fucked.
Nothing went right, it really was incredible. I would be astounded if that many guys played that badly at the same time, and we made that many errors, again.
It was amazing we were still in the game, and could have just been 7-3 down deep into the first half if RM kicks that sitter of a penalty. I just couldn't believe it when he missed, that's a different ball game if he kicks it. I'm far from convinced we have the team to win the thing, but we are a chance. We stormed home in TRC in games with some sort of meaning, and then lost a warm up match. Badly, but a warm up match. Talk of losses to Italy are premature.
With hindsight, I’m not as bothered by the loss now as I was at the time .
I suspect when everything is going rosy, this team has a tendency to feel comfortable with where they are at.
Maybe this might create a sharper edge , being brought back to earth with a thud can do that , Ted used to speak about the benefits of a loss in the area of a mental reset .
@kiwiinmelb difference is, back then they never got flogged by 30 points. And had a series of record losses prior.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32.
Can't be bothered continuing once someone identifies they don't know wtf they're talking about. The law is clear; you can close the gap after the ball is thrown.
@antipodean “Until the ball is thrown in, and has touched the player or the ground, the offside line for players is the mark of touch.”
So you can close the metre gap once the ball is thrown, but you risk being offside if you make contact another player beyond the line of touch.
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Not sure whether this has been posted yet, but I found the bit about the studs and bench interesting.
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@Stargazer surely they have to have a look at them (blade boots) now? Given player safety it seems like an easy one.
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@antipodean “Until the ball is thrown in, and has touched the player or the ground, the offside line for players is the mark of touch.”
So you can close the metre gap once the ball is thrown, but you risk being offside if you make contact another player beyond the line of touch.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean “Until the ball is thrown in, and has touched the player or the ground, the offside line for players is the mark of touch.”
So you can close the metre gap once the ball is thrown, but you risk being offside if you make contact another player beyond the line of touch.
Yes. You can't cross it, hence throwing players over the line is penalised, but you can close the gap after the ball is thrown.
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@kev Yeah, especially because players also risk getting hit by a boot in the face/head. Imagine that being one of those boots. :anguished_face:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev Yeah, especially because players also risk getting hit by a boot in the face/head. Imagine that being one of those boots. :anguished_face:
calm yourselves guys, i bought my first pair of blades in like 2000, this is not some new and dangerous technology
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev Yeah, especially because players also risk getting hit by a boot in the face/head. Imagine that being one of those boots. :anguished_face:
calm yourselves guys, i bought my first pair of blades in like 2000, this is not some new and dangerous technology
@mariner4life Lomax might not agree with you about it not being dangerous.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32.
Can't be bothered continuing once someone identifies they don't know wtf they're talking about. The law is clear; you can close the gap after the ball is thrown.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@antipodean Look at 18:30 and 18:32.
Can't be bothered continuing once someone identifies they don't know wtf they're talking about. The law is clear; you can close the gap after the ball is thrown.
Perhaps that's something that needs to be looked at
No closing of the gap until the ball passes the 5m line
No closing of the gap until the ball is touched (by either team)Suggestions on a postcard to the usual address
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I can't recall the last time I had a ref inspect boots. I've had blades since forever and have never seen an injury like that. Perhaps refs should start again if they're worn into something akin to a flying keel.
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Not sure whether this has been posted yet, but I found the bit about the studs and bench interesting.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Not sure whether this has been posted yet, but I found the bit about the studs and bench interesting.
Think it might be time to go back to subs for injuries only
or at least enforce the 5-3 split
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I remember having plastic sprigs on boots as a kid and having to file off the rough bits from walking on concrete.
@mikedogz and the ref running his hands over the studs to check for sharp edges.
While Lomax's one is awful and seems nasty, it also would seem rather rare?
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@mikedogz and the ref running his hands over the studs to check for sharp edges.
While Lomax's one is awful and seems nasty, it also would seem rather rare?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
While Lomax's one is awful and seems nasty, it also would seem rather rare?
I think the B Barrett injury v the Reds was similar boots? It was another freakish one, a decent gash on his achilles through the socks
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
While Lomax's one is awful and seems nasty, it also would seem rather rare?
I think the B Barrett injury v the Reds was similar boots? It was another freakish one, a decent gash on his achilles through the socks
@Duluth ah thats right, maybe they have altered the configuration of the 'blades' recently?
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I remember those blades were banned at schoolboy level in the early 90s in Aus. Boots were always checked properly before every game. Shit like this should not happen if they have the proper routines.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev Yeah, especially because players also risk getting hit by a boot in the face/head. Imagine that being one of those boots. :anguished_face:
calm yourselves guys, i bought my first pair of blades in like 2000, this is not some new and dangerous technology
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@kev Yeah, especially because players also risk getting hit by a boot in the face/head. Imagine that being one of those boots. :anguished_face:
calm yourselves guys, i bought my first pair of blades in like 2000, this is not some new and dangerous technology
Would like to know exactly what these new blades are, and if they are different.
Seems BB dodged a bullet early this year.
