RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
We have a pretty significant lack of depth at halfback right now
Right now? There's been a lack of depth at 9 (and in a fair number of other positions) for the last 4-5 years.
No, we don't lack depth at nine at all, Roigard is an awesome player. he should be on the bench. We only 'lack depth' cos Foster puts ginger Scottish losers in the team
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@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
What the hell is with the ire towards Dalton's selection? He is absolutely world class and a real leader in the pack. One quiet game against Ireland doesn't change all of that. I am very pleased to see him starting this test, and hoping he brings his A game as he is so influential when on form.
I don't think anyone disputes Papalii's qualities. More of a discussion around it being an imbalanced trio.
@frugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
What the hell is with the ire towards Dalton's selection? He is absolutely world class and a real leader in the pack. One quiet game against Ireland doesn't change all of that. I am very pleased to see him starting this test, and hoping he brings his A game as he is so influential when on form.
I don't think anyone disputes Papalii's qualities. More of a discussion around it being an imbalanced trio.
If I was in charge I'd have Paps as the starting 7
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@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You implied that a decision to pick Nonu despite poor super rugby form was similar to picking Christie on poor super form.
I didn't - I just made the point that picking a player despite poor SR form didn't mean the coach/selectors were inflexible and stupid.
Apparently that's comparing Christie to Nonu or fluffing Foster. A bit bizarre.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You implied that a decision to pick Nonu despite poor super rugby form was similar to picking Christie on poor super form.
I didn't - I just made the point that picking a player despite poor SR form didn't mean the coach/selectors were inflexible and stupid.
Apparently that's comparing Christie to Nonu or fluffing Foster. A bit bizarre.
In the contex of everything you've said and implied around Foster, Robertson and the NZRU, one could be forgiven that when you said Christie had junk Super Rugby form and is picked for the ABs, and Ma'a had similar form, that yes, you were comparing them directly.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
We have a pretty significant lack of depth at halfback right now
Right now? There's been a lack of depth at 9 (and in a fair number of other positions) for the last 4-5 years.
No, we don't lack depth at nine at all, Roigard is an awesome player. he should be on the bench. We only 'lack depth' cos Foster puts ginger Scottish losers in the team
@Machpants tbf prior to Roigards emergence there was an issue in depth at 9, but the lack of time given has still highlighted a bit of an issue in developing some players.
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We have some depth at halfback but they lack experience at the highest level. That's to be expected when only one position in the squad has been available in recent years (after Smith and TJP).
Next year will be fun as there are a number of halfbacks could become the starting 9.
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I haven't heard he is absolutely World class,More give him a go to see what he can do with a few games under his belt in a row.
And people like his 150% no fear approach.@Chris said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I haven't heard he is absolutely World class,More give him a go to see what he can do with a few games under his belt in a row.
And people like his 150% no fear approach.Agree entirely.
I’ve been impressed with him in the tests he played for exactly this reason. Gives it all.
I have doubts about his size, but it doesn’t seem to have affected his results.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@No-Quarter said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
We have a pretty significant lack of depth at halfback right now
Right now? There's been a lack of depth at 9 (and in a fair number of other positions) for the last 4-5 years.
No, we don't lack depth at nine at all, Roigard is an awesome player. he should be on the bench. We only 'lack depth' cos Foster puts ginger Scottish losers in the team
@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
No, we don't lack depth at nine at all, Roigard is an awesome player. he should be on the bench. We only 'lack depth' cos Foster puts ginger Scottish losers in the team
Nugget goes in 6 weeks time, Roigard has played 15 minutes against a team who had 35 points up on us (which def. proves he's an awesome player) and then there's Christie.
Yep, there's definitely huge depth at Test level at halfback in NZ rugby. When Foster goes next month, we'll be brimming over with quality and spoilt for choice...
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@Chris said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I haven't heard he is absolutely World class,More give him a go to see what he can do with a few games under his belt in a row.
And people like his 150% no fear approach.Agree entirely.
I’ve been impressed with him in the tests he played for exactly this reason. Gives it all.
I have doubts about his size, but it doesn’t seem to have affected his results.
@MajorRage said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Chris said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
I haven't heard he is absolutely World class,More give him a go to see what he can do with a few games under his belt in a row.
And people like his 150% no fear approach.Agree entirely.
I’ve been impressed with him in the tests he played for exactly this reason. Gives it all.
I have doubts about his size, but it doesn’t seem to have affected his results.
Yep I agree, I got on the Blackadder bandwagon first time I saw him play for Ta$man, loved his attitude, was n't suggesting he would be WC, but as soon as I see young ones with that attitude, I always want to see how far they can go. And quietly he has kept getting better, and looks quite capable of giving a good account of himself at highest level.
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@Victor-Meldrew using Nonu as your example.
The Foster-fluffing (not that I said it) comment I imagine is not related so much to this one post defending a poor decision by him, but your many other posts doing so. You've even been doing it tangentially by having repeated cracks at Ryan on the boks match.
While some of the Foster criticism is over the top, there's also a huge amount of perfectly valid criticism. If you're making a play for both broken record and white knight, it's a decent one.@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew using Nonu as your example.
The Foster-fluffing (not that I said it) comment I imagine is not related so much to this one post defending a poor decision by him, but your many other posts doing so. You've even been doing it tangentially by having repeated cracks at Ryan on the boks match.
While some of the Foster criticism is over the top, there's also a huge amount of perfectly valid criticism. If you're making a play for both broken record and white knight, it's a decent one.Nice ad hom, but it ain't washing.
If you think calling out the AB forwards performance against the Boks at Twickenham (easily the worst I've seen in over a decade) and suggesting the forwards and the coaching needs a kick up the arse is tangentially fluffing Foster or supporting him, then you've simply moved the bizarre needle even further up the scale.
And for the record, I posted I wanted Foster gone after the Irish series.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You implied that a decision to pick Nonu despite poor super rugby form was similar to picking Christie on poor super form.
I didn't - I just made the point that picking a player despite poor SR form didn't mean the coach/selectors were inflexible and stupid.
Apparently that's comparing Christie to Nonu or fluffing Foster. A bit bizarre.
In the contex of everything you've said and implied around Foster, Robertson and the NZRU, one could be forgiven that when you said Christie had junk Super Rugby form and is picked for the ABs, and Ma'a had similar form, that yes, you were comparing them directly.
@tkh said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You implied that a decision to pick Nonu despite poor super rugby form was similar to picking Christie on poor super form.
I didn't - I just made the point that picking a player despite poor SR form didn't mean the coach/selectors were inflexible and stupid.
Apparently that's comparing Christie to Nonu or fluffing Foster. A bit bizarre.
In the contex of everything you've said and implied around Foster, Robertson and the NZRU, one could be forgiven that when you said Christie had junk Super Rugby form and is picked for the ABs, and Ma'a had similar form, that yes, you were comparing them directly.
Only if you lack comprehension.
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@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
Which is kinda weird as the result is almost academic.
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@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew using Nonu as your example.
The Foster-fluffing (not that I said it) comment I imagine is not related so much to this one post defending a poor decision by him, but your many other posts doing so. You've even been doing it tangentially by having repeated cracks at Ryan on the boks match.
While some of the Foster criticism is over the top, there's also a huge amount of perfectly valid criticism. If you're making a play for both broken record and white knight, it's a decent one.Nice ad hom, but it ain't washing.
If you think calling out the AB forwards performance against the Boks at Twickenham (easily the worst I've seen in over a decade) and suggesting the forwards and the coaching needs a kick up the arse is tangentially fluffing Foster or supporting him, then you've simply moved the bizarre needle even further up the scale.
And for the record, I posted I wanted Foster gone after the Irish series.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew using Nonu as your example.
The Foster-fluffing (not that I said it) comment I imagine is not related so much to this one post defending a poor decision by him, but your many other posts doing so. You've even been doing it tangentially by having repeated cracks at Ryan on the boks match.
While some of the Foster criticism is over the top, there's also a huge amount of perfectly valid criticism. If you're making a play for both broken record and white knight, it's a decent one.Nice ad hom, but it ain't washing.
If you think calling out the AB forwards performance against the Boks at Twickenham (easily the worst I've seen in over a decade) and suggesting the forwards and the coaching needs a kick up the arse is tangentially fluffing Foster or supporting him, then you've simply moved the bizarre needle even further up the scale.
And for the record, I posted I wanted Foster gone after the Irish series.
Calling out the forward performance is fine. It was shit, but it was also 7 men and some newbies who hadn't played much recently on the bench - so I personally wouldn't rate it quite that far down the scale.
The bit where it gets weird is that the backs were just as bad, and the head coach is meant to be where the buck stops. But you repeatedly went for Ryan, almost as if you were offended that he had been given credit rather than Foster for the recent prior success.
If at every opportunity you defend Foster, it's hardly surprising people see that as the reason for you using Nonu's poor super form to justify Foster's decision to pick Christie. -
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@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
Which is kinda weird as the result is almost academic.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
Which is kinda weird as the result is almost academic.
It may not be, if Scotland get through. Foster has already given up on winning it
On whether the opening clash is a “must win”, Foster shared his thoughts on 2019 where the All Blacks defeated South Africa in pool play but ended up with a tougher path into the finals.
“I’m often asked what we’d do differently about 2019 and I said ‘Just throw the first game’. We beat South Africa and they happened to have a different path to the final,” Foster said.
“You never know in tournaments. We have one clear goal, to make sure we qualify and get into a quarter-final situation. Then it is a one-off game.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew using Nonu as your example.
The Foster-fluffing (not that I said it) comment I imagine is not related so much to this one post defending a poor decision by him, but your many other posts doing so. You've even been doing it tangentially by having repeated cracks at Ryan on the boks match.
While some of the Foster criticism is over the top, there's also a huge amount of perfectly valid criticism. If you're making a play for both broken record and white knight, it's a decent one.Nice ad hom, but it ain't washing.
If you think calling out the AB forwards performance against the Boks at Twickenham (easily the worst I've seen in over a decade) and suggesting the forwards and the coaching needs a kick up the arse is tangentially fluffing Foster or supporting him, then you've simply moved the bizarre needle even further up the scale.
And for the record, I posted I wanted Foster gone after the Irish series.
Calling out the forward performance is fine. It was shit, but it was also 7 men and some newbies who hadn't played much recently on the bench - so I personally wouldn't rate it quite that far down the scale.
The bit where it gets weird is that the backs were just as bad, and the head coach is meant to be where the buck stops. But you repeatedly went for Ryan, almost as if you were offended that he had been given credit rather than Foster for the recent prior success.
If at every opportunity you defend Foster, it's hardly surprising people see that as the reason for you using Nonu's poor super form to justify Foster's decision to pick Christie.The forwards were shit at Twickenham. I suggest the forwards and their coaches need to get their act together but I only said that because I'm offended that Ryan had been given credit for previous good performances rather than Foster?
Fuck me....
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@dogmeat yeah i was actually just thinking i should probably do some apologising for being a dick in the lead-up. thought i had got to the point of just laughing off the repeated dumb stuff we're doing but still care a fair bit, i guess.
@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@dogmeat yeah i was actually just thinking i should probably do some apologising for being a dick in the lead-up. thought i had got to the point of just laughing off the repeated dumb stuff we're doing but still care a fair bit, i guess.
As us long-suffering Chiefs supporters can’t stop pointing out: now you know why we were all such fluffybunnies (not sure what our excuse is for last decade, mind.)
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@dogmeat said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You can tell everyone is nervous about this game.
This thread is a tough read
I think one thing that hasn’t been mentioned is the pressure on France. Disappointment after disappointment at RWC’s. Jekyll and Hyde type form within the same Cup campaign.
Has expectation ever been so high for a French team heading into a RWC with recent form and it being in their backyard?
I can only imagine (and I wish I was there) that the place will be buzzing but from what I’ve read so far there is an air of “if we can’t win this one, will it ever happen” undertone.
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@Machpants as much as I’m on the Roigard over Christie bandwagon, the context that SA were 35-0 at this point shouldn’t be ignored.
@MajorRage said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Machpants as much as I’m on the Roigard over Christie bandwagon, the context that SA were 35-0 at this point shouldn’t be ignored.
Wasn't impressed with his option to kick with the overlap either.
