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RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks

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  • MN5M MN5

    @canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

    @Chris said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

    ALB was he even playing, inspired choice to play him at 2nd five impact was Zero.

    He and Havili offer nothing in that regard. We aren't Coke classic, we are Coke Zero

    I can’t agree with this as Coke Zero is good for you.

    Fuck, Jordie can’t get fit enough quick enough can he ?

    I was fairly sure the ABs were fucked when “twin impact subs” Havili and Christie took the field at the same time.

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    #1570

    @MN5 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

    @canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

    @Chris said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

    ALB was he even playing, inspired choice to play him at 2nd five impact was Zero.

    He and Havili offer nothing in that regard. We aren't Coke classic, we are Coke Zero

    I can’t agree with this as Coke Zero is good for you.

    Fuck, Jordie can’t get fit enough quick enough can he ?

    I was fairly sure the ABs were fucked when “twin impact subs” Havili and Christie took the field at the same time.

    As a dentist I can tell you Coke Zero appears to be good, but is actually bad or worse than Coke Classic. My analogy is sound

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      If I was to take any positive out of that, it was that we did enough to win that game if we had an ounce of game smarts...we could have had that almost out reach after 40, but gee, when did we become so fucking stubborn with our tactics and inability to adjust?

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      • His BobnessH His Bobness

        @Victor-Meldrew Quite. Well, we know who Captain Mainwaring is!!

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        #1572

        @His-Bobness said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

        @Victor-Meldrew Quite. Well, we know who Captain Mainwaring is!!

        We could be Hogan's Heroes

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          Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

          Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

          De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
          Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

          Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

          The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

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          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

            If I was to take any positive out of that, it was that we did enough to win that game if we had an ounce of game smarts...we could have had that almost out reach after 40, but gee, when did we become so fucking stubborn with our tactics and inability to adjust?

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            #1574

            @taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

            If I was to take any positive out of that, it was that we did enough to win that game if we had an ounce of game smarts...we could have had that almost out reach after 40, but gee, when did we become so fucking stubborn with our tactics and inability to adjust?

            About six years ago.

            At not once in his four years has Foster shown any signs of a desire to adjust. He has been quite plain, even when losing badly, that he thinks things are on track.

            The ABs played OK in the first half, but we were still not leading. And there lies the real problem. We aren't very good even when playing well.

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              #1575

              One positive - for all the bitching about the jersey it was fine.

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              • MN5M MN5

                @canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                @Chris said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                ALB was he even playing, inspired choice to play him at 2nd five impact was Zero.

                He and Havili offer nothing in that regard. We aren't Coke classic, we are Coke Zero

                I can’t agree with this as Coke Zero is good for you.

                Fuck, Jordie can’t get fit enough quick enough can he ?

                I was fairly sure the ABs were fucked when “twin impact subs” Havili and Christie took the field at the same time.

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                #1576

                @MN5 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                @canefan said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                @Chris said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                I can’t agree with this as Coke Zero is good for you.

                What you talking about Willis?

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                  #1577

                  According to Rugby Database, for the first time in All Blacks history, they have lost two tests in a row by 13 or more points. They lost by 28 against the Springboks at Twickenham and by 14 to France today.

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                  • antipodeanA antipodean

                    Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

                    Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

                    De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
                    Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

                    Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

                    The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

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                    Machpants
                    wrote on last edited by Machpants
                    #1578

                    @antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                    Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

                    Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

                    De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
                    Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

                    Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

                    The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

                    The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster has the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of short kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses

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                    • BerniesCornerB Online
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                      BerniesCorner
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                      #1579

                      1/4 final
                      No worries
                      Run it but not in own half
                      Own half kick it as hard as you can
                      JB SF TL back in.
                      Roigard sub
                      Abolish dinks
                      NZR are idiots

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                      • ARHSA ARHS

                        Hmm. Two big turn points cost us. Substitution of Aaron Smith and a howler from Finlay Christie totally lost momentum. Brain explosion from Dalton Papalii in front of the ref cost us heavily and he could have been pinged a couple of minutes later.
                        Tactics seemed daft in second half. What on earth did Havili bring? Can't quite figure out average kicking game. Mounga saved his day with the glorious try saving tackle. Beauden and Will Jordan were a real mixed bag for me.
                        Pluses were Mark Telea with his energy, the form of our locks with Brodie back and the work of Ardie in the second half.
                        Jacobson did a lot of good stuff when he came on. Was Vaii the right selection at 6?
                        French were great with Mauvaka Alldritt and Penaud standouts for me. Thought Jaco Peyper was very good.
                        Final comment is why the hell do you sub Telea in that situation when Will Jordan is so rocks and diamonds.
                        Correction. 3 turn points with the stereotypical high risk turned bad moment from Will Jordan

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                        @ARHS said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                        Hmm. Two big turn points cost us. Substitution of Aaron Smith and a howler from Finlay Christie totally lost momentum. Brain explosion from Dalton Papalii in front of the ref cost us heavily and he could have been pinged a couple of minutes later.
                        Tactics seemed daft in second half. What on earth did Havili bring? Can't quite figure out average kicking game. Mounga saved his day with the glorious try saving tackle. Beauden and Will Jordan were a real mixed bag for me.
                        Pluses were Mark Telea with his energy, the form of our locks with Brodie back and the work of Ardie in the second half.
                        Jacobson did a lot of good stuff when he came on. Was Vaii the right selection at 6?
                        French were great with Mauvaka Alldritt and Penaud standouts for me. Thought Jaco Peyper was very good.
                        Final comment is why the hell do you sub Telea in that situation when Will Jordan is so rocks and diamonds.
                        Correction. 3 turn points with the stereotypical high risk turned bad moment from Will Jordan

                        3 points instead of 5. For me that was it.

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                        • MN5M Online
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                          MN5
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                          #1581

                          Will Jordan who I’ve previously admired for being so cool and calm under pressure chose a terrible moment to shit the bed it must be said

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                            #1582

                            What a list Fozzy has

                            First home loss to Ireland
                            First series loss to Ireland
                            First loss to Argentina
                            First home loss to Argentina
                            Largest ever defeat
                            First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                            Just to name a few…

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                              We ought to have been comfortably ahead at half time. It isn't unusual for All Black teams to be low on possession/territory but it is unusual for them not to convert opportunities into points.

                              They will be better with Frizzel, Jordie and Cane back in.

                              I was not expecting to win this one. We performed about to expectation. At least no injuries and we fight another day.

                              We'

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                              • M Machpants

                                @antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

                                Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

                                De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
                                Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

                                Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

                                The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

                                The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster has the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of short kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses

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                                #1584

                                @Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                @antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

                                Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

                                De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
                                Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

                                Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

                                The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

                                The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster had the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of sorry kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses

                                Why is it that our sycophantic "journalists" wont actually hit the players or coaches up about it....?

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                                  #1585

                                  Forwards carry metres got updated:

                                  Scott Barrett 70
                                  Ardie Savea 67
                                  Dalton Papali'i 50
                                  Samisoni Taukei'aho 20
                                  Nepo Laulala 19
                                  Sam Whitelock 14
                                  Ethan de Groot 8
                                  Brodie Retallick 8
                                  Luke Jacobson 8
                                  Codie Taylor 6
                                  Tupou Vaa'i 4
                                  Ofa Tu'ungafasi 0
                                  Fletcher Newell 0

                                  Apart from Barrett we don't have much ability to bend the line in the tight 5

                                  Taukei'aho should start but the output of the others is still a concern

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                                  • M Machpants

                                    @antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                    Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

                                    Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

                                    De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
                                    Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

                                    Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

                                    The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

                                    The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster has the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of short kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses

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                                    #1586

                                    @Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                    @antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                    Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

                                    Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

                                    De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
                                    Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

                                    Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

                                    The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

                                    The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster had the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of sorry kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses

                                    Ahh yes, the predictable lament that 'when we're good it's the assistants, when we're bad it's the head coach'. Those with a few more functioning synapses might start to look at the quality of player available and reflect on that body of evidence.

                                    IMO you have to be a dimwit to believe that the problem is just the head coach.

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                                    • StagS Stag

                                      What a list Fozzy has

                                      First home loss to Ireland
                                      First series loss to Ireland
                                      First loss to Argentina
                                      First home loss to Argentina
                                      Largest ever defeat
                                      First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                                      Just to name a few…

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                                      canefan
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1587

                                      @Stag said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                      What a list Fozzy has

                                      First home loss to Ireland
                                      First series loss to Ireland
                                      First loss to Argentina
                                      First home loss to Argentina
                                      Largest ever defeat
                                      First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                                      Just to name a few…

                                      The only way he makes it back to the RWC is as a spectator

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                                      • StagS Stag

                                        What a list Fozzy has

                                        First home loss to Ireland
                                        First series loss to Ireland
                                        First loss to Argentina
                                        First home loss to Argentina
                                        Largest ever defeat
                                        First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                                        Just to name a few…

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                                        #1588

                                        @Stag said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                        What a list Fozzy has

                                        First home loss to Ireland
                                        First series loss to Ireland
                                        First loss to Argentina
                                        First home loss to Argentina
                                        Largest ever defeat
                                        First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                                        Just to name a few…

                                        From the dedicated thread

                                        First to lose to Ireland in NZ.
                                        First to lose a series to Ireland.
                                        First 3 test series loss in professional era.
                                        Worst halftime deficit ever.
                                        First to lose to Argentina, and at home
                                        Highest score against us
                                        Biggest losing margin x2
                                        Lowest world ranking
                                        Worst win rate in Pro era
                                        First ever consecutive 14 point+ losses
                                        First loss in RWC pool play
                                        Worst ever RWC loss
                                        Biggest margin of defeats and highest scores conceded against Argentina, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, and France
                                        Only ever time lost 3 consecutive home tests

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                                        • DuluthD Duluth

                                          Forwards carry metres got updated:

                                          Scott Barrett 70
                                          Ardie Savea 67
                                          Dalton Papali'i 50
                                          Samisoni Taukei'aho 20
                                          Nepo Laulala 19
                                          Sam Whitelock 14
                                          Ethan de Groot 8
                                          Brodie Retallick 8
                                          Luke Jacobson 8
                                          Codie Taylor 6
                                          Tupou Vaa'i 4
                                          Ofa Tu'ungafasi 0
                                          Fletcher Newell 0

                                          Apart from Barrett we don't have much ability to bend the line in the tight 5

                                          Taukei'aho should start but the output of the others is still a concern

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                                          @Duluth the fact that ST is 4th with only 20m says it all really

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