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    According to Rugby Database, for the first time in All Blacks history, they have lost two tests in a row by 13 or more points. They lost by 28 against the Springboks at Twickenham and by 14 to France today.

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    • antipodeanA antipodean

      Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

      Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

      De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
      Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

      Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

      The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

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      @antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

      Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

      Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

      De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
      Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

      Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

      The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

      The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster has the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of short kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses

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        1/4 final
        No worries
        Run it but not in own half
        Own half kick it as hard as you can
        JB SF TL back in.
        Roigard sub
        Abolish dinks
        NZR are idiots

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        • ARHSA ARHS

          Hmm. Two big turn points cost us. Substitution of Aaron Smith and a howler from Finlay Christie totally lost momentum. Brain explosion from Dalton Papalii in front of the ref cost us heavily and he could have been pinged a couple of minutes later.
          Tactics seemed daft in second half. What on earth did Havili bring? Can't quite figure out average kicking game. Mounga saved his day with the glorious try saving tackle. Beauden and Will Jordan were a real mixed bag for me.
          Pluses were Mark Telea with his energy, the form of our locks with Brodie back and the work of Ardie in the second half.
          Jacobson did a lot of good stuff when he came on. Was Vaii the right selection at 6?
          French were great with Mauvaka Alldritt and Penaud standouts for me. Thought Jaco Peyper was very good.
          Final comment is why the hell do you sub Telea in that situation when Will Jordan is so rocks and diamonds.
          Correction. 3 turn points with the stereotypical high risk turned bad moment from Will Jordan

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          @ARHS said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

          Hmm. Two big turn points cost us. Substitution of Aaron Smith and a howler from Finlay Christie totally lost momentum. Brain explosion from Dalton Papalii in front of the ref cost us heavily and he could have been pinged a couple of minutes later.
          Tactics seemed daft in second half. What on earth did Havili bring? Can't quite figure out average kicking game. Mounga saved his day with the glorious try saving tackle. Beauden and Will Jordan were a real mixed bag for me.
          Pluses were Mark Telea with his energy, the form of our locks with Brodie back and the work of Ardie in the second half.
          Jacobson did a lot of good stuff when he came on. Was Vaii the right selection at 6?
          French were great with Mauvaka Alldritt and Penaud standouts for me. Thought Jaco Peyper was very good.
          Final comment is why the hell do you sub Telea in that situation when Will Jordan is so rocks and diamonds.
          Correction. 3 turn points with the stereotypical high risk turned bad moment from Will Jordan

          3 points instead of 5. For me that was it.

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            Will Jordan who I’ve previously admired for being so cool and calm under pressure chose a terrible moment to shit the bed it must be said

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              What a list Fozzy has

              First home loss to Ireland
              First series loss to Ireland
              First loss to Argentina
              First home loss to Argentina
              Largest ever defeat
              First ever pool loss at a World Cup

              Just to name a few…

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                We ought to have been comfortably ahead at half time. It isn't unusual for All Black teams to be low on possession/territory but it is unusual for them not to convert opportunities into points.

                They will be better with Frizzel, Jordie and Cane back in.

                I was not expecting to win this one. We performed about to expectation. At least no injuries and we fight another day.

                We'

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                • M Machpants

                  @antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                  Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

                  Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

                  De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
                  Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

                  Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

                  The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

                  The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster has the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of short kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses

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                  @Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                  @antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                  Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

                  Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

                  De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
                  Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

                  Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

                  The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

                  The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster had the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of sorry kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses

                  Why is it that our sycophantic "journalists" wont actually hit the players or coaches up about it....?

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                    #1585

                    Forwards carry metres got updated:

                    Scott Barrett 70
                    Ardie Savea 67
                    Dalton Papali'i 50
                    Samisoni Taukei'aho 20
                    Nepo Laulala 19
                    Sam Whitelock 14
                    Ethan de Groot 8
                    Brodie Retallick 8
                    Luke Jacobson 8
                    Codie Taylor 6
                    Tupou Vaa'i 4
                    Ofa Tu'ungafasi 0
                    Fletcher Newell 0

                    Apart from Barrett we don't have much ability to bend the line in the tight 5

                    Taukei'aho should start but the output of the others is still a concern

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                    • M Machpants

                      @antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                      Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

                      Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

                      De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
                      Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

                      Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

                      The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

                      The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster has the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of short kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses

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                      antipodean
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                      #1586

                      @Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                      @antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                      Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:

                      Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".

                      De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
                      Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.

                      Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.

                      The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.

                      The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster had the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of sorry kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses

                      Ahh yes, the predictable lament that 'when we're good it's the assistants, when we're bad it's the head coach'. Those with a few more functioning synapses might start to look at the quality of player available and reflect on that body of evidence.

                      IMO you have to be a dimwit to believe that the problem is just the head coach.

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                      • StagS Stag

                        What a list Fozzy has

                        First home loss to Ireland
                        First series loss to Ireland
                        First loss to Argentina
                        First home loss to Argentina
                        Largest ever defeat
                        First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                        Just to name a few…

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                        canefan
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                        #1587

                        @Stag said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                        What a list Fozzy has

                        First home loss to Ireland
                        First series loss to Ireland
                        First loss to Argentina
                        First home loss to Argentina
                        Largest ever defeat
                        First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                        Just to name a few…

                        The only way he makes it back to the RWC is as a spectator

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                        • StagS Stag

                          What a list Fozzy has

                          First home loss to Ireland
                          First series loss to Ireland
                          First loss to Argentina
                          First home loss to Argentina
                          Largest ever defeat
                          First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                          Just to name a few…

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                          @Stag said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                          What a list Fozzy has

                          First home loss to Ireland
                          First series loss to Ireland
                          First loss to Argentina
                          First home loss to Argentina
                          Largest ever defeat
                          First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                          Just to name a few…

                          From the dedicated thread

                          First to lose to Ireland in NZ.
                          First to lose a series to Ireland.
                          First 3 test series loss in professional era.
                          Worst halftime deficit ever.
                          First to lose to Argentina, and at home
                          Highest score against us
                          Biggest losing margin x2
                          Lowest world ranking
                          Worst win rate in Pro era
                          First ever consecutive 14 point+ losses
                          First loss in RWC pool play
                          Worst ever RWC loss
                          Biggest margin of defeats and highest scores conceded against Argentina, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, and France
                          Only ever time lost 3 consecutive home tests

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                          • DuluthD Duluth

                            Forwards carry metres got updated:

                            Scott Barrett 70
                            Ardie Savea 67
                            Dalton Papali'i 50
                            Samisoni Taukei'aho 20
                            Nepo Laulala 19
                            Sam Whitelock 14
                            Ethan de Groot 8
                            Brodie Retallick 8
                            Luke Jacobson 8
                            Codie Taylor 6
                            Tupou Vaa'i 4
                            Ofa Tu'ungafasi 0
                            Fletcher Newell 0

                            Apart from Barrett we don't have much ability to bend the line in the tight 5

                            Taukei'aho should start but the output of the others is still a concern

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                            @Duluth the fact that ST is 4th with only 20m says it all really

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                            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                              @Duluth the fact that ST is 4th with only 20m says it all really

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                              @taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                              @Duluth the fact that ST is 4th with only 20m says it all really

                              Or that Nepo was one of the best carriers in the tight forwards. Hardly his strength

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                              • M Machpants

                                @Stag said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                What a list Fozzy has

                                First home loss to Ireland
                                First series loss to Ireland
                                First loss to Argentina
                                First home loss to Argentina
                                Largest ever defeat
                                First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                                Just to name a few…

                                From the dedicated thread

                                First to lose to Ireland in NZ.
                                First to lose a series to Ireland.
                                First 3 test series loss in professional era.
                                Worst halftime deficit ever.
                                First to lose to Argentina, and at home
                                Highest score against us
                                Biggest losing margin x2
                                Lowest world ranking
                                Worst win rate in Pro era
                                First ever consecutive 14 point+ losses
                                First loss in RWC pool play
                                Worst ever RWC loss
                                Biggest margin of defeats and highest scores conceded against Argentina, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, and France
                                Only ever time lost 3 consecutive home tests

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                                canefan
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                                @Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                @Stag said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                What a list Fozzy has

                                First home loss to Ireland
                                First series loss to Ireland
                                First loss to Argentina
                                First home loss to Argentina
                                Largest ever defeat
                                First ever pool loss at a World Cup

                                Just to name a few…

                                From the dedicated thread

                                First to lose to Ireland in NZ.
                                First to lose a series to Ireland.
                                First 3 test series loss in professional era.
                                Worst halftime deficit ever.
                                First to lose to Argentina, and at home
                                Highest score against us
                                Biggest losing margin x2
                                Lowest world ranking
                                Worst win rate in Pro era
                                First ever consecutive 14 point+ losses
                                First loss in RWC pool play
                                Worst ever RWC loss
                                Biggest margin of defeats and highest scores conceded against Argentina, Ireland, Australia, South Africa, and France
                                Only ever time lost 3 consecutive home tests

                                I can't like that

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                                  Where's Razor

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                                  • DuluthD Duluth

                                    @taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                    @Duluth the fact that ST is 4th with only 20m says it all really

                                    Or that Nepo was one of the best carriers in the tight forwards. Hardly his strength

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                                    @Duluth glad Nepo stood up. Played a good 50th test.

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                                    • menceyM mencey

                                      This is now just becoming embarrassing. I now live in Canada and I have neighbours who don't know shit about Rugby telling me that the All Blacks are not the same team anymore.

                                      Foster may be a great bloke and all that but he should never have been given the job in the first place. We have just gone to shit under his tenure. We won't get out of the quarters if we are even lucky enough to get out of this pool.

                                      Some of the players should have gone to Japan for good for the payday already. Where is the backup game plane if things are not working? This nonstop kicking the ball away is just a joke.

                                      Richie and Dan must be in total disbelief in the stands. That is the second game in a row that was just sickening to watch. The French can play way better that that. Thank F### they didn't or we would have been in for another hiding.

                                      I haven’t particularly been looking forward to this WC as I knew we weren’t going anywhere but the match at Twickenham and now this defeat has confirmed my worst fears.

                                      All I can say is, I hope Razor can turn things around next year and make me want to watch this team play without a sense of how badly we could lose when I am watching. I am not a Crusaders fan but you have to give it to that man Scott Robinson. His record speaks for itself as does Fosters I am afraid to say.

                                      I wish that I still drank as I could at least drown my sorrows. Yes this is negative but how else are you supposed to feel. My old man was Irish born so that’s who I now hope win if we can’t produce an absolute miracle. Enough said.

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                                      @mencey said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                      This is now just becoming embarrassing. I now live in Canada and I have neighbours who don't know shit about Rugby telling me that the All Blacks are not the same team anymore.

                                      Foster may be a great bloke and all that but he should never have been given the job in the first place. We have just gone to shit under his tenure. We won't get out of the quarters if we are even lucky enough to get out of this pool.

                                      Some of the players should have gone to Japan for good for the payday already. Where is the backup game plane if things are not working? This nonstop kicking the ball away is just a joke.

                                      Richie and Dan must be in total disbelief in the stands. That is the second game in a row that was just sickening to watch. The French can play way better that that. Thank F### they didn't or we would have been in for another hiding.

                                      I haven’t particularly been looking forward to this WC as I knew we weren’t going anywhere but the match at Twickenham and now this defeat has confirmed my worst fears.

                                      All I can say is, I hope Razor can turn things around next year and make me want to watch this team play without a sense of how badly we could lose when I am watching. I am not a Crusaders fan but you have to give it to that man Scott Robinson. His record speaks for itself as does Fosters I am afraid to say.

                                      I wish that I still drank as I could at least drown my sorrows. Yes this is negative but how else are you supposed to feel. My old man was Irish born so that’s who I now hope win if we can’t produce an absolute miracle. Enough said.

                                      Where in Canada?

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                                      • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

                                        Where's Razor

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                                        @BerniesCorner hiding behind the sofa wondering what the hell he signed up for next year 😂

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                                        • DuluthD Duluth

                                          @taniwharugby said in RWC: France v All Blacks:

                                          @Duluth the fact that ST is 4th with only 20m says it all really

                                          Or that Nepo was one of the best carriers in the tight forwards. Hardly his strength

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                                          @Duluth yep, at 19m he should be well down the list.

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