RWC Week 1: France v All Blacks
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Cheer up, lads.
The French were bloody lucky to win that.
Their try after half time relied on a number of fortuitous events, including Jaco missing a relieving knock on.
The yellow had a much more subtle impact than the obvious. Not sure if it was some perception of guilt for not giving red or what, but for the next 15 minutes or so Jaco has hyper tough on us at breakdown and anything which was dropped assumed forwards. Meanwhile, counted him twice not pinging for same thing in their half and one heinous offside, which even ITV picked up, which was very kickable.
An even handed display in those 15 minutes and it'd have been 19-16 or even 16 all with ten to play.
That was the game in a nutshell.
ABs did many good things and were best team over first three quarters.
I expect French coaches will have lots of material for Monday review.
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Cheer up, lads.
The French were bloody lucky to win that.
Their try after half time relied on a number of fortuitous events, including Jaco missing a relieving knock on.
The yellow had a much more subtle impact than the obvious. Not sure if it was some perception of guilt for not giving red or what, but for the next 15 minutes or so Jaco has hyper tough on us at breakdown and anything which was dropped assumed forwards. Meanwhile, counted him twice not pinging for same thing in their half and one heinous offside, which even ITV picked up, which was very kickable.
An even handed display in those 15 minutes and it'd have been 19-16 or even 16 all with ten to play.
That was the game in a nutshell.
ABs did many good things and were best team over first three quarters.
I expect French coaches will have lots of material for Monday review.
@pakman I can see why we can have cause for optimism, however the biggest problem is the need for 3 big games in a row.
I think we certainly have it in us to roll anyone in a quarter, it's backing up the next week against a quality opposition I have little faith in us doing, let alone 3 times in a row.
I'd love them to prove me wrong though, would be a fitting end for the likes of Whitelock, Smith etc
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Cheer up, lads.
The French were bloody lucky to win that.
Their try after half time relied on a number of fortuitous events, including Jaco missing a relieving knock on.
The yellow had a much more subtle impact than the obvious. Not sure if it was some perception of guilt for not giving red or what, but for the next 15 minutes or so Jaco has hyper tough on us at breakdown and anything which was dropped assumed forwards. Meanwhile, counted him twice not pinging for same thing in their half and one heinous offside, which even ITV picked up, which was very kickable.
An even handed display in those 15 minutes and it'd have been 19-16 or even 16 all with ten to play.
That was the game in a nutshell.
ABs did many good things and were best team over first three quarters.
I expect French coaches will have lots of material for Monday review.
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At the moment Italy is our final.
We need to decide on our top team and play the combos in the pools as much as possible.
Some of these guys confidence must be shot.
Ethan is arriving.@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
At the moment Italy is our final.
We need to decide on our top team and play the combos in the pools as much as possible.
Some of these guys confidence must be shot.
Ethan is arriving.Probably walking on water to get there judging by some of the posts on here about him
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@reprobate said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@pakman Seriously mate, blaming the ref for that loss is totally ridiculous.
I didn’t ‘blame the ref’, I referenced that the French were lucky. Sometimes that’s the difference.
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Cheer up, lads.
The French were bloody lucky to win that.
Their try after half time relied on a number of fortuitous events, including Jaco missing a relieving knock on.
The yellow had a much more subtle impact than the obvious. Not sure if it was some perception of guilt for not giving red or what, but for the next 15 minutes or so Jaco has hyper tough on us at breakdown and anything which was dropped assumed forwards. Meanwhile, counted him twice not pinging for same thing in their half and one heinous offside, which even ITV picked up, which was very kickable.
An even handed display in those 15 minutes and it'd have been 19-16 or even 16 all with ten to play.
That was the game in a nutshell.
ABs did many good things and were best team over first three quarters.
I expect French coaches will have lots of material for Monday review.
@pakman mate seriously??? I'm not drinking the Kool-Aide on this one. We were dominated up front by a superior French pack. We were average at the breakdown, we lost our first ever game in pool play and we lost by the worse margin in our RWC history.
No we sucked! The only positives are Reiko and Telea were awesome.
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@Chester-Draws said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You are sure of your position, based on exactly the same evidence as I am. Unless you do have inside knowledge. You wouldn't go round slighting people when you are doing the exact same thing, would you?
I'm not claiming inside knowledge and that Foster over-ruled Schmidt & Ryan - you are.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Chester-Draws said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
You are sure of your position, based on exactly the same evidence as I am. Unless you do have inside knowledge. You wouldn't go round slighting people when you are doing the exact same thing, would you?
I'm not claiming inside knowledge and that Foster over-ruled Schmidt & Ryan - you are.
And you're claiming inside knowledge that Ryan is the main selector. Despite not being head coach. What evidence do you have that he picks the forwards?
My evidence is that Foster has always prefered Taylor to star.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but something I noticed while watching this morning: less replays during play. Less chances for the crowd to "ooh!" and "aah!" for potential infringements.
It was a bit of a blight that hometown broadcasters were pointing the ref towards possible visiting infringements. Didn't seem to happen.
@NTA said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but something I noticed while watching this morning: less replays during play. Less chances for the crowd to "ooh!" and "aah!" for potential infringements.
It was a bit of a blight that hometown broadcasters were pointing the ref towards possible visiting infringements. Didn't seem to happen.
Fair point and seemingly deliberate, but I did find lack of replays a bit annoying.
Helped us with Rieko's pass to Telea.
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Telea still has some major flaws in his game (getting himself isolated too often and poor positional sense on defence) but he is certainly dangerous with the ball.
@Bovidae said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Telea still has some major flaws in his game (getting himself isolated too often and poor positional sense on defence) but he is certainly dangerous with the ball.
He has that uncanny knack of staying on his feet in tough situations that’s for sure. So slippery. Is it just me or is he not super quick though ?
He was out of position when France scored one of their tries which was unfortunate
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@Bovidae said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Telea still has some major flaws in his game (getting himself isolated too often and poor positional sense on defence) but he is certainly dangerous with the ball.
He has that uncanny knack of staying on his feet in tough situations that’s for sure. So slippery. Is it just me or is he not super quick though ?
He was out of position when France scored one of their tries which was unfortunate
@MN5 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@Bovidae said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Telea still has some major flaws in his game (getting himself isolated too often and poor positional sense on defence) but he is certainly dangerous with the ball.
He has that uncanny knack of staying on his feet in tough situations that’s for sure. So slippery. Is it just me or is he not super quick though ?
He was out of position when France scored one of their tries which was unfortunate
He’s not the full package, but hellishly elusive.
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@Bovidae said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Telea still has some major flaws in his game (getting himself isolated too often and poor positional sense on defence) but he is certainly dangerous with the ball.
He has that uncanny knack of staying on his feet in tough situations that’s for sure. So slippery. Is it just me or is he not super quick though ?
He was out of position when France scored one of their tries which was unfortunate
@MN5 said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
He was out of position when France scored one of their tries which was unfortunate
Yes, he has a habit of jamming in when that player is already covered by defenders and leaving his winger free. Telea did the same at Mt Smart against SA.
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Telea still has some major flaws in his game (getting himself isolated too often and poor positional sense on defence) but he is certainly dangerous with the ball.
@Bovidae said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Telea still has some major flaws in his game (getting himself isolated too often and poor positional sense on defence) but he is certainly dangerous with the ball.
Couple of times, had he nudged ball on when a bit isolated it would have been foot race between French and Rieko.
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@Bovidae said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Telea still has some major flaws in his game (getting himself isolated too often and poor positional sense on defence) but he is certainly dangerous with the ball.
Couple of times, had he nudged ball on when a bit isolated it would have been foot race between French and Rieko.
@pakman said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Couple of times, had he nudged go weds on when a bit isolated
Wtf
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@pakman said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Couple of times, had he nudged go weds on when a bit isolated
Wtf
@BerniesCorner said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@pakman said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Couple of times, had he nudged go weds on when a bit isolated
Wtf
I would have thought it was quite self explanatory. What part don't you get?
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I can’t believe you’re bagging the only guy who looked like scoring all night
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I can’t believe you’re bagging the only guy who looked like scoring all night
@MiketheSnow not sure people are bagging him, but the penalties for holding on are an improvement that needs to be made to his (very impressive) game. My old man said to me be a couple of days ago that Talea was prone to getting a bit isolated. I responded that he ends up away from his support on occasions because he beats opposition that nobody expects him to. I think there were 3 holding on penalties against him in this match? Obviously I was looking for it after that conversation. The follow on to that discussion was whether it is better to give away the penalty, or trust your transition to defence.
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@Machpants said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in RWC: France v All Blacks:
Quick report from your local correspondent here in fucking hot Paris:
Backroom full of donkeys. Vaai, predictability, the worst of them. Tight five carried them. In as much as you can call that display "carried".
De Groot will want to forget that game in a hurry. ALB was MIA after that beautiful pop pass to Rieko.
Will Jordan is obviously a very dimwitted slow learner. Jump to contest you fuckwomble.Beaudy was bloody good until the final quarter. As was Mounga.
The blame for you Foster haters needs to be apportioned to the rest of the coaching staff who have had plenty of time to address the obvious issues. This was a collective display of incompetence.
The buck stops at the head coach. And with Ryan and Schmidt we have had some games which forwards really muscled up and attack was good versus decent opposition. Prior to them, none. So yes Ryan and Schmidt are part of the selectors and coaching team, but there has been improvement with them on board. Foster had the final say, and the midfield bomb/millions of sorry kicks/play in your own 22 has been the default under the entire foster tenure. And that leads to our losses
Ahh yes, the predictable lament that 'when we're good it's the assistants, when we're bad it's the head coach'. Those with a few more functioning synapses might start to look at the quality of player available and reflect on that body of evidence.
IMO you have to be a dimwit to believe that the problem is just the head coach.
@antipodean No one is denying we may have a drop in player quality but there is not alot can be done about that. We can do something about the coaching by ensuring (and as fans insisting) we have the best candidates possible in these roles.
Regardless our player quality which is not Italy, Scotland, Wales levels (we are still in the top tier) we should not be losing in the humiliating style we are.
I think most All Black fans can handle losing and not being No1 but what we hate is looking clueless and inept.
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I'm really pissed off. Leaderless. Bone headed. Brainless. No plan A, B, or C. No team spirit, no team. Worst team for as long as I can remember. Utterly dire. Where are the forwards? Whitelock is like someone's Nan, Retallick was past it three years ago. Both have given their all but are now spent. Why do we persist in trying to run out from the 22 every bloody time. Kick the ball away with moments to go. Tactically inept. Any chance we can play field position rather than trying to win the game from our own 22. Ultimately nowhere near good enough and zero smarts. The sooner this farce ends the better IMO. Just bloody embarassing. Infringement after infringement. We look like Dinosaurs. Take a bow Foster, ****** us in less than 5 years. Please leave.
