The Current State of Rugby
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I think they need to go back to the TMO only looking at foul play or if the ref asks.to.look at something.
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
As @mariner4life says, it's like rugby hates itself...
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
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@sparky Fiji play how most would like to play, but won't or can't, and seems like they are having fun while doing it
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@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
The fact the solution in rugby is so often to remove people from the field simply supports the case for the existence of the 13 man code
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@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
The fact the solution in rugby is so often to remove people from the field simply supports the case for the existence of the 13 man code
@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
The fact the solution in rugby is so often to remove people from the field simply supports the case for the existence of the 13 man code
A decent 15 man game is vastly better than a decent 13 man game for me anytime - the Fiji-Oz game being a case in point. Not much needs to be done to get the game back on track IMHO.
That said, SOO is up there with an AB-Bok game for intensity.
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@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
The fact the solution in rugby is so often to remove people from the field simply supports the case for the existence of the 13 man code
A decent 15 man game is vastly better than a decent 13 man game for me anytime - the Fiji-Oz game being a case in point. Not much needs to be done to get the game back on track IMHO.
That said, SOO is up there with an AB-Bok game for intensity.
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
Not much needs to be done to get the game back on track
But something needs to be done, although it would seem the powers that be don't see the same issues?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
Not much needs to be done to get the game back on track
But something needs to be done, although it would seem the powers that be don't see the same issues?
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
Not much needs to be done to get the game back on track
But something needs to be done, although it would seem the powers that be don't see the same issues?
Doubt they see the issues while the moolah keeps rolling in and viewing figures hold up.
A lot of it seems to be around the TMO, reffing guidelines and head contact which has become a real mess and needs a re-think and some changes. But the head honchos need to admit there's a problem first.
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@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
The fact the solution in rugby is so often to remove people from the field simply supports the case for the existence of the 13 man code
@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
The fact the solution in rugby is so often to remove people from the field simply supports the case for the existence of the 13 man code
We've been conditioned into accepting unintentional acts are evil.
Angus Ta'avao (edit: and the Portman/Retallick tackle of course)
Sam CurryThere's a bunch of people who get into a poor position and wind up smashing heads - it's clearly not a plan, but it's treated the same as someone who tries to take someone's head off with a swinging arm. I think rugby's trying to treat inadvertent contact the same as intentional contact, but only if the TMO looks at it - and only if there's not some random mitigation applied. It's just weird, and it sucks for the fans.
And the natural end point is the appeal to the ref for cards... the system's broken when you start having that as part of your gameplan.
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@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
The fact the solution in rugby is so often to remove people from the field simply supports the case for the existence of the 13 man code
We've been conditioned into accepting unintentional acts are evil.
Angus Ta'avao (edit: and the Portman/Retallick tackle of course)
Sam CurryThere's a bunch of people who get into a poor position and wind up smashing heads - it's clearly not a plan, but it's treated the same as someone who tries to take someone's head off with a swinging arm. I think rugby's trying to treat inadvertent contact the same as intentional contact, but only if the TMO looks at it - and only if there's not some random mitigation applied. It's just weird, and it sucks for the fans.
And the natural end point is the appeal to the ref for cards... the system's broken when you start having that as part of your gameplan.
The emphasis is on eliminating head contact and from that aspect malicious or accidental doesn't come into it. Perhaps the answer is biting the bullet and lowering tackle height substantially?
Having said all that, the Fiji - Oz game was a real belter with big hits, serious physicality and bugger all head contact issues. Makes you wonder if it's the players and coaches that need to change.
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The emphasis is on eliminating head contact and from that aspect malicious or accidental doesn't come into it. Perhaps the answer is biting the bullet and lowering tackle height substantially?
Having said all that, the Fiji - Oz game was a real belter with big hits, serious physicality and bugger all head contact issues. Makes you wonder if it's the players and coaches that need to change.
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
The emphasis is on eliminating head contact and from that aspect malicious or accidental doesn't come into it. Perhaps the answer is biting the bullet and lowering tackle height substantially?
I have no issues if we are serious about this, but that's not what we're getting at the moment. The risk/reward framework is munted.
How can you argue the French lock is a yellow, and then random others are red, and then there are incidents that don't even get picked up. It's the total randomness that does my nut.
Treading on well trodden ground, but if you're serious about lowering tackle height, I think yo uneed to look at the breakdown as well, to encourage people taking the hips and sliding down. That may mean no pops off the ground any more, only placing. And then really cracking down on anything high - so that you know even if it gets missed during the game, there will be a consequence later.
Right now, the incentive is to flirt with dominant physical tackles up top, because that is what the game seems to demand. And then occasionally it gest picked up, well, that's that.
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17m French people watch World Cup opener on TV. 65% commercial share.
https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/france-new-zealand-2023-rugby-world-cup-tf1-tv-audience/
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@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
lol yeah do you know many ABs fans?
easier to find than many Wallaby fans..
@nostrildamus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
lol yeah do you know many ABs fans?easier to find than many Wallaby fans..
I don't know about anyone else, but my social media is a completely Wallaby supporter free zone. No one, and that's not an exaggeration, has posted on Facebook about it. It's as if collectively they've decided to ignore it.
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@nostrildamus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
lol yeah do you know many ABs fans?easier to find than many Wallaby fans..
I don't know about anyone else, but my social media is a completely Wallaby supporter free zone. No one, and that's not an exaggeration, has posted on Facebook about it. It's as if collectively they've decided to ignore it.
@antipodean i'll take another pop at the media, last weeks win against georgia only made it to every second news break on morning TV and normally as one of the last things....this morning...the first thing they mentioned....no wonder interest is falling
side point, its been ages since i really paid attention to League, but i watched the Warriors on the weekend, was a lot of fun and amazing what a crowed can do to liven up the slower periods of the game. The Scrums?....are they not even allowed to push a little bit anymore?.....surely they must be tempted to just charge though sometimes
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@nostrildamus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
lol yeah do you know many ABs fans?easier to find than many Wallaby fans..
I don't know about anyone else, but my social media is a completely Wallaby supporter free zone. No one, and that's not an exaggeration, has posted on Facebook about it. It's as if collectively they've decided to ignore it.
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@nostrildamus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
lol yeah do you know many ABs fans?easier to find than many Wallaby fans..
I don't know about anyone else, but my social media is a completely Wallaby supporter free zone. No one, and that's not an exaggeration, has posted on Facebook about it. It's as if collectively they've decided to ignore it.
To misquote Blam Blam Blam "There are no bad sports news, in Australia...there are no decent props, on our farms.."
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To me the RWC is highlighting a massive issue with how World Rugby "administers" the elite game.
If you are a 6N/RC team, then the International game is fucking apples. Prime home and away fixturing, as many tests a year as you want. Inside windows, outside windows, doesn't matter.
Everyone else? Fuck you.
Look at that ridiculous stat that Samoa haven't played Argentina in like 20 years. How many tests have Fiji had in the last few years?
Then you throw in the stories about the T2 sides sleeping in swags and cooking their own meals.World Rugby love to talk about "growing the game" but what do they do except serve shit teams up for ritual slaughter by their "betters" every four years, while basically ignoring them the rest of the time.
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To me the RWC is highlighting a massive issue with how World Rugby "administers" the elite game.
If you are a 6N/RC team, then the International game is fucking apples. Prime home and away fixturing, as many tests a year as you want. Inside windows, outside windows, doesn't matter.
Everyone else? Fuck you.
Look at that ridiculous stat that Samoa haven't played Argentina in like 20 years. How many tests have Fiji had in the last few years?
Then you throw in the stories about the T2 sides sleeping in swags and cooking their own meals.World Rugby love to talk about "growing the game" but what do they do except serve shit teams up for ritual slaughter by their "betters" every four years, while basically ignoring them the rest of the time.
@mariner4life they give them a rougher ride at the judiciary...
Based off other tackles thus far, Deysel should be 3 or 4 weeks with a week off (i dont know his history) but easy player for them to make an example of, more so the resulting (potentially) injury
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To me the RWC is highlighting a massive issue with how World Rugby "administers" the elite game.
If you are a 6N/RC team, then the International game is fucking apples. Prime home and away fixturing, as many tests a year as you want. Inside windows, outside windows, doesn't matter.
Everyone else? Fuck you.
Look at that ridiculous stat that Samoa haven't played Argentina in like 20 years. How many tests have Fiji had in the last few years?
Then you throw in the stories about the T2 sides sleeping in swags and cooking their own meals.World Rugby love to talk about "growing the game" but what do they do except serve shit teams up for ritual slaughter by their "betters" every four years, while basically ignoring them the rest of the time.
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
To me the RWC is highlighting a massive issue with how World Rugby "administers" the elite game.
If you are a 6N/RC team, then the International game is fucking apples. Prime home and away fixturing, as many tests a year as you want. Inside windows, outside windows, doesn't matter.
Everyone else? Fuck you.
Look at that ridiculous stat that Samoa haven't played Argentina in like 20 years. How many tests have Fiji had in the last few years?
Then you throw in the stories about the T2 sides sleeping in swags and cooking their own meals.World Rugby love to talk about "growing the game" but what do they do except serve shit teams up for ritual slaughter by their "betters" every four years, while basically ignoring them the rest of the time.
The hypocrisy is staggering. It used to be that we copped shit every 4 years for not doing enough for Islander sides that were coached by NZers, with players trained in NZ, and who in many cases were either born and/or raised in NZ. But yeah Romania is killing it these days. One of the things that greatly hindered rugby's growth back in the day was the almost fanatical desire of those in charge to not let any of the riff raff be involved. Unfortunately not much appears to have changed.
