Pasty Backline
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<p>Scott Hamilton?</p>
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<p>Maybe just but my point still stands, as I said other countries who don't have the Maori and PI population make do with white guys doing this some of whom are excellent at it but NZ Rugby virtually always has a "browner" guy to do it.</p>
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<p>its funny, i used to always write my "samoan" team whenever i finished my exams early..</p>
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<p>15. Nanai/Toeava</p>
<p>14. Leiua</p>
<p>13. Nonu</p>
<p>12. SBW</p>
<p>11. J. Savea</p>
<p>10. Sopoaga</p>
<p>9. Pulu</p>
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<p>Funnily enough, Leiua is the only player I really rate in the Samoan team, and hes always injured.</p> -
<p>Is it possible to select such a team anymore? I've gotten to the point when someone says player x is eligible to play for the Maori I think the same things when meeting a blond haired blue eyed Aboriginal:</p>
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<p>Scott Hamilton?</p>
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<p>Craig Innes (going back a bit) Keith Lowen.. Regan King (I think he was probably 1/16th or something...). It is odd that we don't produce more Jamie Roberts / George Norths tho'</p> -
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<p>Maybe just but my point still stands, as I said other countries who don't have the Maori and PI population make do with white guys doing this some of whom are excellent at it but NZ Rugby virtually always has a "browner" guy to do it.</p>
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<p>Case in point sharks backline being seriously short on physical presence overall.</p>
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<p>Mark Robinson (the centre not the scrumhalf) when he wasn't injured? He was a bit of a unit.</p>
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<p>When was the last time NZ Rugby actually produced a hard running, tackle busting white guy in the backline ?</p>
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<p>No shit, last one I can think of is Scott "Stormy" McLeod. Other countries produce these guys in abundance......</p>
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Craig Innes (going back a bit) Keith Lowen.. Regan King (I think he was probably 1/16th or something...). It is odd that we don't produce more Jamie Roberts / George Norths tho'</p></blockquote>
Lowen is Rarotongan. <br>
King is Maori (I believe).<br><br>
Craig Innes is a good example. <br><br>
But in general I don't think we have a lot of big white hard running backs because they are earmarked as flankers early on. Whereas in countries like South Africa and England they are considered too small to play in the forwards so get shunted into the midfield.<br><br>
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<p>Back in the day John Gallagher. Ok he was English. But those old clips with short shorts (stubbies basically) and that white skin that required sunglasses it was so bright and reflective.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="602514" data-time="1470132362"><p>When was the last time NZ Rugby actually produced a hard running, tackle busting white guy in the backline ?<br></p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="602514" data-time="1470132362"><p>When was the last time NZ Rugby actually produced a hard running, tackle busting white guy in the backline ?<br> <br>No shit, last one I can think of is Scott "Stormy" McLeod. Other countries produce these guys in abundance......</p></blockquote><br>im going to expand on your point and probably make it more confusing ,<br><br>If you walk around the streets of NZ , the biggest blokes tend to be on average , dark skinned blokes,<br><br>If you look at rugby players, the biggest blokes tend to be tight forwards ,<br><br>yet we tend to produce more White tight forwards
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="602543" data-time="1470138078">
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<p>Lowen is Rarotongan.<br>
King is Maori (I believe).<br><br>
Craig Innes is a good example.<br><br><strong>But in general I don't think we have a lot of big white hard running backs because they are earmarked as flankers early on.</strong> Whereas in countries like South Africa and England they are considered too small to play in the forwards so get shunted into the midfield.<br><br>
A guy like Andre Snyman would have been a 7 in NZ.</p>
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<p>I was going to make that point. Im sure there are plenty of white Kiwi flankers around who would look pretty good in some of those NH backlines where these "big white backs" seem to be. Equally guys like Roberts and Mortlock probably wouldn't look out of place on the side of the scrum.</p> -
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<p>But in general I don't think we have a lot of big white hard running backs because they are earmarked as flankers early on. Whereas in countries like South Africa and England they are considered too small to play in the forwards so get shunted into the midfield.</p>
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<p>Crazy to think how many players futures are probably set in stone at a young age by an amateur coach. For a lot of guys it's fairly obvious what their future will be (e.g. lanky guy = lock) but there must be plenty of guys who would've been in a completely different position had they grown up in a different system.</p>
