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RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy

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  • KirwanK Kirwan

    Ritchie being out injured may be the tried and true Foster approaching to improving his team (being forced to change selections by injury).

    We aren't winning the world cup with Ritchie Mounga at 10. might as well try DMac.

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    @Kirwan said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Ritchie being out injured may be the tried and true Foster approaching to improving his team (being forced to change selections by injury).

    We aren't winning the world cup with Ritchie Mounga at 10. might as well try DMac.

    I'm not sure its Mounga at 10 that is the problem .. for me its the persistence of the Richie / BB dual playmaker BS that is the problem.... Mounga has shown he can play the big games well - eg SR 2023 final where he shaded Dmac in my opinion (I am a Dmac fan)-- key thing in that game was is he didn't have BB poking his shitty low percentage options in all the time..

    But yeah forced changes are the only time we seem to get significant change from Foster. So would be happy to see Dmac start at 10....

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      @Kirwan said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

      Ritchie being out injured may be the tried and true Foster approaching to improving his team (being forced to change selections by injury).

      We aren't winning the world cup with Ritchie Mounga at 10. might as well try DMac.

      I'm not sure its Mounga at 10 that is the problem .. for me its the persistence of the Richie / BB dual playmaker BS that is the problem.... Mounga has shown he can play the big games well - eg SR 2023 final where he shaded Dmac in my opinion (I am a Dmac fan)-- key thing in that game was is he didn't have BB poking his shitty low percentage options in all the time..

      But yeah forced changes are the only time we seem to get significant change from Foster. So would be happy to see Dmac start at 10....

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      @Mattasaurus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

      I'm not sure its Mounga at 10 that is the problem .. for me its the persistence of the Richie / BB dual playmaker BS that is the problem

      McKenzie/Barrett worked well in the limited times we've seen it. A few years ago Barrett/McKenzie worked too

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      • M Machpants

        I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

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        @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

        I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

        We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

        Like Eddie.....

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        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

          @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

          We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

          Like Eddie.....

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          @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

          We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

          Like Eddie.....

          Jeez please no hahaha

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          • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

            @akan004 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            Ardie just said that the Ireland V SA game was one of the first non ABs games he has watched.

            What a professional outfit we have here, one of our most senior players and stand in captain is not even bothered to see where the opposition is at. Sigh.

            Not this again…

            Someone dig up the old thread/s on rugby players that don’t sit around and watch rugby games from start to finish.

            They watch snippets, packaged up footage. Who cares if they don’t sit and watch full games.

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            @ACT-Crusader said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            @akan004 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            Ardie just said that the Ireland V SA game was one of the first non ABs games he has watched.

            What a professional outfit we have here, one of our most senior players and stand in captain is not even bothered to see where the opposition is at. Sigh.

            Not this again…

            Someone dig up the old thread/s on rugby players that don’t sit around and watch rugby games from start to finish.

            They watch snippets, packaged up footage. Who cares if they don’t sit and watch full games.

            This is a RWC ffs, you want to be as best prepared as possible and perhaps offer insights on the opposition that maybe the coaches might have missed.

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              Rancid Schnitzel
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              Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes. Hopefully another injury forced "master stroke".

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              • KirwanK Kirwan

                Ritchie being out injured may be the tried and true Foster approaching to improving his team (being forced to change selections by injury).

                We aren't winning the world cup with Ritchie Mounga at 10. might as well try DMac.

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                @Kirwan said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                Ritchie being out injured may be the tried and true Foster approaching to improving his team (being forced to change selections by injury).

                We aren't winning the world cup with Ritchie Mounga at 10. might as well try DMac.

                Think Ritchie has been OK and much improved over the last year. I'm a bit of a DMac fan and think he should have more game time but think RM is a bit more solid 10 right now

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                • DuluthD Duluth

                  @Mattasaurus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                  I'm not sure its Mounga at 10 that is the problem .. for me its the persistence of the Richie / BB dual playmaker BS that is the problem

                  McKenzie/Barrett worked well in the limited times we've seen it. A few years ago Barrett/McKenzie worked too

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                  @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                  A few years ago Barrett/McKenzie worked too

                  Wasn't that with BB at 10 and McKenzie at 15? Can't compare. And I don't remember it working that well either.

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                    The hilarious thing is that we'd take Anscombe in a heart beat if he was available right now.

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                    • Rancid SchnitzelR Rancid Schnitzel

                      Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes. Hopefully another injury forced "master stroke".

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                      @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                      Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

                      Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

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                      • DuluthD Duluth

                        @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                        Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

                        Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

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                        @Duluth What a bs again. Mo'unga didn't lose us the 2019 RWC. We all know the problem was in the forwards.

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                        • M Machpants

                          @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                          @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                          I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

                          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

                          We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

                          Like Eddie.....

                          Jeez please no hahaha

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                          @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                          @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                          @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                          I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

                          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

                          We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

                          Like Eddie.....

                          Jeez please no hahaha

                          Why not? Eddie makes bold selections, is prepared to put older, past-it players out to grass, doesn't need to have obvious selections or Assistants orced on him and, unlike Foster, doesn't give undeserving players starting slots in return for public support.

                          What's not to like......?

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                          • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                            @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

                            https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

                            We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

                            Like Eddie.....

                            Jeez please no hahaha

                            Why not? Eddie makes bold selections, is prepared to put older, past-it players out to grass, doesn't need to have obvious selections or Assistants orced on him and, unlike Foster, doesn't give undeserving players starting slots in return for public support.

                            What's not to like......?

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                            @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

                            https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

                            We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

                            Like Eddie.....

                            Jeez please no hahaha

                            Why not? Eddie makes bold selections, is prepared to put older, past-it players out to grass, doesn't need to have obvious selections or Assistants orced on him and, unlike Foster, doesn't give undeserving players starting slots in return for public support.

                            What's not to like......?

                            12.5%

                            And he does need some decent assistants forced on him as he has a bunch of amateur leagies

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                            • StargazerS Stargazer

                              @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                              A few years ago Barrett/McKenzie worked too

                              Wasn't that with BB at 10 and McKenzie at 15? Can't compare. And I don't remember it working that well either.

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                              @Stargazer said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                              @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                              A few years ago Barrett/McKenzie worked too

                              Wasn't that with BB at 10 and McKenzie at 15? Can't compare. And I don't remember it working that well either.

                              It was pretty damn good on the 2018 EOYT.

                              That was 5 years ago, mind.

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                              • StargazerS Stargazer

                                @Duluth What a bs again. Mo'unga didn't lose us the 2019 RWC. We all know the problem was in the forwards.

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                                @Stargazer said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                @Duluth What a bs again. Mo'unga didn't lose us the 2019 RWC. We all know the problem was in the forwards.

                                Forgotten the poor tackling letting in a try already?

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                                • DuluthD Duluth

                                  @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                  Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

                                  Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

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                                  @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                  @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                  Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

                                  Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

                                  But he wasn't the only dumb bastard in that semi....not by a long, long way.

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                                    foobaNZ
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                                    Wow blaming Mo'unga for 2019 is such a stupid take I don't know what to say lol.

                                    And I hate the Saders.

                                    Our lack of physicality was the problem that day. We were boys against men.

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                                    • F foobaNZ

                                      Wow blaming Mo'unga for 2019 is such a stupid take I don't know what to say lol.

                                      And I hate the Saders.

                                      Our lack of physicality was the problem that day. We were boys against men.

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                                      @foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                      Wow blaming Mo'unga for 2019 is such a stupid take I don't know what to say lol.

                                      And I hate the Saders.

                                      Our lack of physicality was the problem that day. We were boys against men.

                                      And Eddie had some very set moves, the kick off to first try was pre planned, and so well executed - they must've practised that a lot

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                                        England ran straight at Mo'unga and made easy metre's and got points out of it. He was mentally broken and hid from first receiver for the rest of the game.

                                        He still has the same problem now. When the game gets tough he doesn't take control he gives up the first receiver spot

                                        A flat track bully

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                                          the Ref worries me for this game Carley is prone to slow the game down with penalties and pedantic ones at that.
                                          He will be a Ref the Italians will be happy with.
                                          Set piece kick fest maybe the way the game is shaping up.

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