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RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy

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  • Rancid SchnitzelR Rancid Schnitzel

    Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes. Hopefully another injury forced "master stroke".

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    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

    Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

    Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

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    • DuluthD Duluth

      @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

      Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

      Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

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      @Duluth What a bs again. Mo'unga didn't lose us the 2019 RWC. We all know the problem was in the forwards.

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      • M Machpants

        @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

        @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

        I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

        We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

        Like Eddie.....

        Jeez please no hahaha

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        @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

        @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

        @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

        I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

        We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

        Like Eddie.....

        Jeez please no hahaha

        Why not? Eddie makes bold selections, is prepared to put older, past-it players out to grass, doesn't need to have obvious selections or Assistants orced on him and, unlike Foster, doesn't give undeserving players starting slots in return for public support.

        What's not to like......?

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        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

          @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

          We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

          Like Eddie.....

          Jeez please no hahaha

          Why not? Eddie makes bold selections, is prepared to put older, past-it players out to grass, doesn't need to have obvious selections or Assistants orced on him and, unlike Foster, doesn't give undeserving players starting slots in return for public support.

          What's not to like......?

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          @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          @Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

          I know he is trying to say 'we're taking this game seriously' but for a coach that has a history of wrecking ABs history, not a great line to take!

          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ian-foster-insists-new-zealands-unbeaten-record-against-italy-means-nothing/

          We deserve a coach who states clearly and with confidence his team is absolutely, definitely going to win that crunch game.

          Like Eddie.....

          Jeez please no hahaha

          Why not? Eddie makes bold selections, is prepared to put older, past-it players out to grass, doesn't need to have obvious selections or Assistants orced on him and, unlike Foster, doesn't give undeserving players starting slots in return for public support.

          What's not to like......?

          12.5%

          And he does need some decent assistants forced on him as he has a bunch of amateur leagies

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          • StargazerS Stargazer

            @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            A few years ago Barrett/McKenzie worked too

            Wasn't that with BB at 10 and McKenzie at 15? Can't compare. And I don't remember it working that well either.

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            @Stargazer said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

            A few years ago Barrett/McKenzie worked too

            Wasn't that with BB at 10 and McKenzie at 15? Can't compare. And I don't remember it working that well either.

            It was pretty damn good on the 2018 EOYT.

            That was 5 years ago, mind.

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            • StargazerS Stargazer

              @Duluth What a bs again. Mo'unga didn't lose us the 2019 RWC. We all know the problem was in the forwards.

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              @Stargazer said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

              @Duluth What a bs again. Mo'unga didn't lose us the 2019 RWC. We all know the problem was in the forwards.

              Forgotten the poor tackling letting in a try already?

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              • DuluthD Duluth

                @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

                Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

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                @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

                Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

                But he wasn't the only dumb bastard in that semi....not by a long, long way.

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                  Wow blaming Mo'unga for 2019 is such a stupid take I don't know what to say lol.

                  And I hate the Saders.

                  Our lack of physicality was the problem that day. We were boys against men.

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                  • F foobaNZ

                    Wow blaming Mo'unga for 2019 is such a stupid take I don't know what to say lol.

                    And I hate the Saders.

                    Our lack of physicality was the problem that day. We were boys against men.

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                    @foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                    Wow blaming Mo'unga for 2019 is such a stupid take I don't know what to say lol.

                    And I hate the Saders.

                    Our lack of physicality was the problem that day. We were boys against men.

                    And Eddie had some very set moves, the kick off to first try was pre planned, and so well executed - they must've practised that a lot

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                      England ran straight at Mo'unga and made easy metre's and got points out of it. He was mentally broken and hid from first receiver for the rest of the game.

                      He still has the same problem now. When the game gets tough he doesn't take control he gives up the first receiver spot

                      A flat track bully

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                        the Ref worries me for this game Carley is prone to slow the game down with penalties and pedantic ones at that.
                        He will be a Ref the Italians will be happy with.
                        Set piece kick fest maybe the way the game is shaping up.

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                        • F foobaNZ

                          Wow blaming Mo'unga for 2019 is such a stupid take I don't know what to say lol.

                          And I hate the Saders.

                          Our lack of physicality was the problem that day. We were boys against men.

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                          @foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                          We were boys against men

                          No. We were dumb, dumb, dumb. From the selection through to the final whistle.

                          That loss hurt more than 2007 - and I was there in Cardiff.

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                          • DuluthD Duluth

                            @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

                            Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

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                            @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            @Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                            Just on the DM/BB axis. Have we seen that in a big test? I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

                            Well Mo'unga has already lost us one world cup, no need to make it two

                            I'll get the popcorn.

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                            • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                              @foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                              We were boys against men

                              No. We were dumb, dumb, dumb. From the selection through to the final whistle.

                              That loss hurt more than 2007 - and I was there in Cardiff.

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                              foobaNZ
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                              @Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.

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                                Former Canterbury player Jon Preston had excellent analysis of Mo'unga shitness at halftime in that match

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                                • F foobaNZ

                                  @Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.

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                                  @foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                  @Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.

                                  It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.

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                                  • DuluthD Duluth

                                    England ran straight at Mo'unga and made easy metre's and got points out of it. He was mentally broken and hid from first receiver for the rest of the game.

                                    He still has the same problem now. When the game gets tough he doesn't take control he gives up the first receiver spot

                                    A flat track bully

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                                    @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                    A flat track bully

                                    Well let’s hope our forwards turn up this week and next to give the useless prick a nice flat track eh?

                                    Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then Fozzie may as well pick me at 10

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                                    • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                      @foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                      @Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.

                                      It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.

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                                      @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                      if we'd kept our head

                                      A first five that didn't want to touch the ball really didn't help

                                      It's ok now. He's never done that in a pressure game since then

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                                      • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                        @foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                        @Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.

                                        It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.

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                                        @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                        @foobaNZ said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                        @Victor-Meldrew I won't say we weren't dumb, but if you cannot compete at the contact, you're no chance in a knock out game.

                                        It's history now, but if we'd kept our head we'd have been able to win that game. Blew opportunities.

                                        The Whitelock penalty still burns

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                                        • voodooV voodoo

                                          @Duluth said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                          A flat track bully

                                          Well let’s hope our forwards turn up this week and next to give the useless prick a nice flat track eh?

                                          Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then Fozzie may as well pick me at 10

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                                          @voodoo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:

                                          Cos if we don’t make huge improvements in our accuracy and discipline, particularly at the breakdown, then

                                          Rinse and repeat for the last 6-7 years.

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