RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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Good performance, and a fun watch for sure. Still poor exits and too many infuriating 'clever' kicks on attack - and against the better sides we won't get the ball straight back from those errors.
Should put the wind up the potatoes though. They look pretty nerveless and have overcome a fair bit of history already to be fair, but if anything is going to make them a bit edgy about a QF exit that will. -
@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
He's right to, we are the only top team that doesn't push hard on defence, it's so annoying that we still use a defence system from 2015.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
He's right to, we are the only top team that doesn't push hard on defence, it's so annoying that we still use a defence system from 2015.
@Machpants ironically our goal line defence is where we use a flat Rush-like defence and we are usually pretty good holding our line, it's when we defend at depth we don't maintain our shape and press up too slow
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Roigard, Savea, JB and DMac are potent fringe runners. We dont have to spin poor ball wide like we have done too much over the last few years. Can attack closer in. SA backline D is brutal.
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@His-Bobness said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stuart Barnes in The Times the day before.
Aged as well as some of the comments about Frizzell being selected for the RC
To be fair, he has been on the drop Sam Cane bandwagon for over a year
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Ball in play time is not determined by the referee
It’s determined by the team who are in charge
Last night NZ were very much in charge
If NZ want the ball in play time to be greater then they have to be dominant in the basics
It’s pretty simple really
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Ball in play time is not determined by the referee
It’s determined by the team who are in charge
Last night NZ were very much in charge
If NZ want the ball in play time to be greater then they have to be dominant in the basics
It’s pretty simple really
Yes and no.
Doesn't matter how dominant you are, when the opposition prop goes down for the 457th time and the referee allows it, the ball in play time is going to be less even if they stop the clock.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Play the same team. Build the combinations.
No need to experiment or give anyone else a run at this stage.
@Damo said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Play the same team. Build the combinations.
No need to experiment or give anyone else a run at this stage.
Start Roigard - DMac
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
He's right to, we are the only top team that doesn't push hard on defence, it's so annoying that we still use a defence system from 2015.
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
He's right to, we are the only top team that doesn't push hard on defence, it's so annoying that we still use a defence system from 2015.
He's right, but it's hilarious to come up with an analysis on the All Blacks defence on the 2 tries conceded when they scored 14.
It's as ridiculous as taking about the Italian offence.
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Statement game. One that the ABs pull out every now and then.
Italy were OK for the first little bit, then utterly shit the bed. I can't believe how bad their set piece was. They were being shredded on a few missed tackles but also the most basic plays.
Once you let the ABs score 4 tries, things start to get really stupid.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
He's right to, we are the only top team that doesn't push hard on defence, it's so annoying that we still use a defence system from 2015.
@Machpants Not sure I’d describe the AB defence as “very passive” though. Your words were more accurate.
And what Mr Kearney didn’t mention is that some of those Ireland players are good ball players because they’re Kiwis who have come through the NZ system.
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Great performance but fuck me why is our defence still so passive. Ireland thrive when they have time and space to implement their intricate attack. Take that away and they become very beatable as SA displayed last week.
We have had 4 years to at least try out a rush system, and we never did. This is a huge black mark against Foster and McLeod.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Ball in play time is not determined by the referee
It’s determined by the team who are in charge
Last night NZ were very much in charge
If NZ want the ball in play time to be greater then they have to be dominant in the basics
It’s pretty simple really
Yes and no.
Doesn't matter how dominant you are, when the opposition prop goes down for the 457th time and the referee allows it, the ball in play time is going to be less even if they stop the clock.
@MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Ball in play time is not determined by the referee
It’s determined by the team who are in charge
Last night NZ were very much in charge
If NZ want the ball in play time to be greater then they have to be dominant in the basics
It’s pretty simple really
Yes and no.
Doesn't matter how dominant you are, when the opposition prop goes down for the 457th time and the referee allows it, the ball in play time is going to be less even if they stop the clock.
My head can't get round that maths/logic
It's like one of those,
Train A leaves Los Angeles at 8:00 traveling at 100kph, and train B leaves NY at 9:00 traveling at 200kph
Where do they meet? -
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Who'd have though six months ago Shannon Frizzell would be key to NZ's RWC progress?
And he certainly is..... I feel his development during his time at lock for the landers has added to his game - his lineout work alone puts him ahead of any of the other 6s we had been considering - let alone his physical presence which appears to be growing -
He seems to allow Ardie play better at 8 - I haven't quite put my finger on how he does it....
@Mattasaurus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Who'd have though six months ago Shannon Frizzell would be key to NZ's RWC progress?
And he certainly is..... I feel his development during his time at lock for the landers has added to his game - his lineout work alone puts him ahead of any of the other 6s we had been considering - let alone his physical presence which appears to be growing -
He seems to allow Ardie play better at 8 - I haven't quite put my finger on how he does it....
Frizell is rock solid option at back of lineout, which provides three targets and very difficult to defend.
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
He's right to, we are the only top team that doesn't push hard on defence, it's so annoying that we still use a defence system from 2015.
He's right, but it's hilarious to come up with an analysis on the All Blacks defence on the 2 tries conceded when they scored 14.
It's as ridiculous as taking about the Italian offence.
@MajorRage is amusing seeing the 'oh Italy were shit' or 'this is a poor Italian team' yet prior to kick off, some were saying italy were a shot...similarly when SA or Ireland or France or whoever pump Romania or Namibia, they did the job, were clinical...
We just pumped them by near 80, the same team that earlier this year were with in 5 of France and 14 of Ireland...
You play what's in front, the pleasing part is foe the most part we didn't lose our shape, we are stronger than the side that faced France...sure we still have some work, but if this team clicks, they will get past Ireland, and then....
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Great performance but fuck me why is our defence still so passive. Ireland thrive when they have time and space to implement their intricate attack. Take that away and they become very beatable as SA displayed last week.
We have had 4 years to at least try out a rush system, and we never did. This is a huge black mark against Foster and McLeod.
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Great performance but fuck me why is our defence still so passive. Ireland thrive when they have time and space to implement their intricate attack. Take that away and they become very beatable as SA displayed last week.
We have had 4 years to at least try out a rush system, and we never did. This is a huge black mark against Foster and McLeod.
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@chimoaus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Not a dead rubber, if Italy beat France
So it appears to me that as long as we get 5 points vs Uruguay we go through.
Thus my point Uruguay is not a dead rubber we must win it, and to guarantee we must win with a bonus point
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@chimoaus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Operation ¼ final now. Not sure how to prepare for Uruguay in a dead rubber.
Not a dead rubber, if Italy beat France
So it appears to me that as long as we get 5 points vs Uruguay we go through.
Thus my point Uruguay is not a dead rubber we must win it, and to guarantee we must win with a bonus point
It's as close to a dead rubber as it gets.
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Paps 7
DMac, Roigard and Whitelock on at 50
BB kick tfooiiyo half -
Stuart Barnes in The Times the day before.
@His-Bobness said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Stuart Barnes in The Times the day before.
He has form as a reverse seer. Let's hope he says Ireland are a certainty to win!
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@MajorRage said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Ball in play time is not determined by the referee
It’s determined by the team who are in charge
Last night NZ were very much in charge
If NZ want the ball in play time to be greater then they have to be dominant in the basics
It’s pretty simple really
Yes and no.
Doesn't matter how dominant you are, when the opposition prop goes down for the 457th time and the referee allows it, the ball in play time is going to be less even if they stop the clock.
My head can't get round that maths/logic
It's like one of those,
Train A leaves Los Angeles at 8:00 traveling at 100kph, and train B leaves NY at 9:00 traveling at 200kph
Where do they meet?
