RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy
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legit question....and it is probably stupid....but rather than trying to make outside backs midfielders as we so often try...should we be trying to make some loosies
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).Nothing against Jordie but he’s had a couple of average games THIS season. He didn’t look too good against SA when Esterhuizen was running hard at him.
But still, far and away our best 12 and massively important, some of this is down to how downright ordinary Havilli has been though.
Aki has been on fire this WC.
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).Nothing against Jordie but he’s had a couple of average games THIS season. He didn’t look too good against SA when Esterhuizen was running hard at him.
But still, far and away our best 12 and massively important, some of this is down to how downright ordinary Havilli has been though.
Aki has been on fire this WC.
Aki has only looked good as the forwards played well and set the platform...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Chris-B said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I think this squad is arguably as strong as 2011 - not 2015, but as you say that was a phenomenal team - which could've lost to the Boks in the semi.
The thing is though, other countries squads have become much stronger
6-7 players in that 2011 squad would have been in contention for a World XV with 4 being absolute certainties. Of this squad I'd say 3 or 4 with Ardie being the only shoe-in.
I think you're being generous with your world xv.
Genuinely not sure who'd make it. Ardie perhaps, if you've got a very specific game plan and other loosies.
Who else you got? Can't see the pack doing it. Aaron and Rieko maybe, depending on injuries and form. JB at 12 perhaps.
Ok that's more than I thought in the conversation; 2011 had a whole lot, and mostly in the forwards
@nzzp said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Who else you got?
The Eel & Will Jordan would be in contention. Stiff competition though.
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Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Jordie is an average Test 12 who's had average games like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that and he works well with Reiko - it's exactly what we want right now. A season or so alongside Reiko to develop more and who knows?
surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Jordie is an average Test 12 who's had average games like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that and he works well with Reiko - it's exactly what we want right now. A season or so alongside Reiko to develop more and who knows?
surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Jordie is an average Test 12 who's had average games like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that and he works well with Reiko - it's exactly what we want right now. A season or so alongside Reiko to develop more and who knows?
surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
At the moment Gareth Davies is streets ahead of Williams
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Jordie is an average Test 12 who's had average games like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that and he works well with Reiko - it's exactly what we want right now. A season or so alongside Reiko to develop more and who knows?
surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
At the moment Gareth Davies is streets ahead of Williams
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
At the moment Gareth Davies is streets ahead of Williams
Ta. That's who I mean't to say.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).Nothing against Jordie but he’s had a couple of average games THIS season. He didn’t look too good against SA when Esterhuizen was running hard at him.
But still, far and away our best 12 and massively important, some of this is down to how downright ordinary Havilli has been though.
Aki has been on fire this WC.
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Gotta say De Allende has had a couple of average games in the last 2 seasons, can be slow to turn. Still a useful player but world 12? I also saw Aki miss an easy one in the RWC. If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Maybe not individually but as starter and bench surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).Nothing against Jordie but he’s had a couple of average games THIS season. He didn’t look too good against SA when Esterhuizen was running hard at him.
But still, far and away our best 12 and massively important, some of this is down to how downright ordinary Havilli has been though.
Aki has been on fire this WC.
Not disagreeing there.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
If nothing else Jordie surely has an advantage over them regards kicking, oh and utility value.
Jordie is an average Test 12 who's had average games like everyone else. Nothing wrong with that and he works well with Reiko - it's exactly what we want right now. A season or so alongside Reiko to develop more and who knows?
surely our two 9s are in the conversation as well (no not Christie, the other one, the one Foster doesn't like playing).
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Roigard has played 3 (?) Tests with one start against Namibia and two appearances when the game was decided. Think we need to see him in a tight game before we put him in the same bracket as DuPont, Tomas Williams or Faf de Klerk
I said "In the conversation" and not "individually", so that means both 9s for a team need to be considered in this context...
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@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I found this on the interweb…..
Five All Blacks but seven kiwis in total
and Jordan as 15, hmm, looking at that chart our returning forwards have a point to prove...
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Rassie responding to Foster's 'ball in play' comments -
Rassie Erasmus
@RassieRugby
Ian always a straight shooter and say it as it is! Have respect for him since he coached the Chiefs!! But I think 2 min more ball in play and a epic battle between Ireland and Boks is the game I would rather watch !! ( while saying that your boys were crisp and clinical
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Who partners SB to start? BR or SW?
@Billy-Tell said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Who partners SB to start? BR or SW?
Scooter a LH lock. BR a TH lock. Sam can play both but better at LH. Italian selection make perfect sense.
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Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
Bumped into SJK, Goldie and Grant N on bar crawl back to base. Pretty satisfied with ABs but JK was very disappointed ‘with how shit Italy were’. Pretty fair call.
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@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
Bumped into SJK, Goldie and Grant N on bar crawl back to base. Pretty satisfied with ABs but JK was very disappointed ‘with how shit Italy were’. Pretty fair call.
@pakman said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
Bumped into SJK, Goldie and Grant N on bar crawl back to base. Pretty satisfied with ABs but JK was very disappointed ‘with how shit Italy were’. Pretty fair call.
Meeting them for breakfast?
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@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
Bumped into SJK, Goldie and Grant N on bar crawl back to base. Pretty satisfied with ABs but JK was very disappointed ‘with how shit Italy were’. Pretty fair call.
@pakman said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
Bumped into SJK, Goldie and Grant N on bar crawl back to base. Pretty satisfied with ABs but JK was very disappointed ‘with how shit Italy were’. Pretty fair call.
Pffffft. As shit as the time he ran through about half the team to score back in 87 ? I think not.
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@pakman said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
Bumped into SJK, Goldie and Grant N on bar crawl back to base. Pretty satisfied with ABs but JK was very disappointed ‘with how shit Italy were’. Pretty fair call.
Pffffft. As shit as the time he ran through about half the team to score back in 87 ? I think not.
@MN5 said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@pakman said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
Bumped into SJK, Goldie and Grant N on bar crawl back to base. Pretty satisfied with ABs but JK was very disappointed ‘with how shit Italy were’. Pretty fair call.
Pffffft. As shit as the time he ran through about half the team to score back in 87 ? I think not.
Tbf that was before he started boning a lass from the Spaghetti Peninsula.
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@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
Bumped into SJK, Goldie and Grant N on bar crawl back to base. Pretty satisfied with ABs but JK was very disappointed ‘with how shit Italy were’. Pretty fair call.
@pakman said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
Bumped into SJK, Goldie and Grant N on bar crawl back to base. Pretty satisfied with ABs but JK was very disappointed ‘with how shit Italy were’. Pretty fair call.
Oh we name dropping now. I bumped into the
in the train station. But he was being mobbed by Portuguese fans so grabbed a quick selfie and wished him good luck on making his train. -
@pakman said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
@Steven-Harris said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
Some of this post match stuff on Sky is utter trash
Bumped into SJK, Goldie and Grant N on bar crawl back to base. Pretty satisfied with ABs but JK was very disappointed ‘with how shit Italy were’. Pretty fair call.
Oh we name dropping now. I bumped into the
in the train station. But he was being mobbed by Portuguese fans so grabbed a quick selfie and wished him good luck on making his train.@mooshld said in RWC Week 4: All Blacks v Italy:
I bumped into the
in the train station.Had to read that twice.
