RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland

ACT Crusader

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

4 things to consider:

Ireland have never got past qtr final stage

only 2 teams have ever recorded 18 wins in a row in the history of rugby.

Ireland have never beaten NZ at a World Cup before

Their former coach is now an AB coach plotting against them.

So if we lose and Ireland overcome those 4 things we retitle the Fozzie’s firsts thread to Fozzie’s Quadrella’s

I’ve been lurking on this site for 20 years and I haven’t seen this level of anxiousness before. Although when one bright spark posted that we were at peak oil it had a few nerves going…

Derm McCrum

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

4 things to consider:

Ireland have never got past qtr final stage

only 2 teams have ever recorded 18 wins in a row in the history of rugby.

Ireland have never beaten NZ at a World Cup before

Their former coach is now an AB coach plotting against them.

So if we lose and Ireland overcome those 4 things we retitle the Fozzie’s firsts thread to Fozzie’s Quadrella’s

I’ve been lurking on this site for 20 years and I haven’t seen this level of anxiousness before. Although when one bright spark posted that we were at peak oil it had a few nerves going…

The point of the match
If two have done it, why not three - same as 1 really. Too early anyway, Getting the record would be more interesting.
See point 1. Plus they'd never won in NZ before.
Look how that turned out in 2019....

Old Samurai Jack

@Derm-McCrum said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@voodoo said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@kiwiinmelb

Here you go

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ireland-wings-mack-hansen-and-james-lowe-on-mend-ahead-of-new-zealand-showdown/

None ruled out at this stage but Ryan and Hansen probably look the least likely

They can get the fuck out with this shit. Getting their excuses in early, trying to steal our underdog status.

We’ve sacrificed a great deal for the underdog tag, be damned if they’re taking it off us now.

Ireland are the underdogs in the RWC. Never been past the quarters. Failed 117 times. In contrast, NZ perennial winners, always in the knockouts, best in the world, Beauden Barrett, Richie McCoy aka Sam Cane, Best coach in the world, NZ thoroughbreds vs Irish mongrels, etc, etc.

:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: That is some real shenanigans, right there!

Nepia

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@bayimports said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

I wouldn’t pick one Irish player in a combined NZ/Ireland Father Ted’s XV….

TBF you wouldn’t pick anyone outside of Canterbury at any time

I’m open to the odd token.

Well if it all goes belly up this week, we can all get onboard the Santner bandwagon and bring home the CWC

All you need is for Ireland do a late late call up of Jaeger this week, no token will be needed.

Derm McCrum

@Nepia said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@bayimports said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

I wouldn’t pick one Irish player in a combined NZ/Ireland Father Ted’s XV….

TBF you wouldn’t pick anyone outside of Canterbury at any time

I’m open to the odd token.

Well if it all goes belly up this week, we can all get onboard the Santner bandwagon and bring home the CWC

All you need is for Ireland do a late late call up of Jaeger this week, no token will be needed.

He's staying put apparently. He's had 3 overtures and turned them down.

Derm McCrum

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Derm-McCrum said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@voodoo said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@kiwiinmelb

Here you go

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ireland-wings-mack-hansen-and-james-lowe-on-mend-ahead-of-new-zealand-showdown/

None ruled out at this stage but Ryan and Hansen probably look the least likely

They can get the fuck out with this shit. Getting their excuses in early, trying to steal our underdog status.

We’ve sacrificed a great deal for the underdog tag, be damned if they’re taking it off us now.

Ireland are the underdogs in the RWC. Never been past the quarters. Failed 117 times. In contrast, NZ perennial winners, always in the knockouts, best in the world, Beauden Barrett, Richie McCoy aka Sam Cane, Best coach in the world, NZ thoroughbreds vs Irish mongrels, etc, etc.

:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: That is some real shenanigans, right there!

Really? I don't know what you're talking about. NZ are revered in this country - the game this weekend is regarded as the pinnacle of every players' career. Each player knows when they face greatness - it's an honour only rarely bestowed. Ireland, I'm sure will do their best, not to disgrace such a game and give it their best shot.

taniwharugby

@Derm-McCrum I heard both teams get participation certificates after as well, thats pretty cool.

booboo

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Machpants not sure TAB odds setting for the ABs are a true gauge...

So the only game we were underdogs and won was SA last year?

Doesn't surprise me, we’re usually the overdogs

booboo

@Machpants said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Machpants so they had us as faves for the test we won in SA last year?

Kinda proves my point about the TAB and thier odds setting?

Oh correct tab always over rate the abs. Like now, no way we should be paying 2$, 4$ would be more accurate. But the of times when they say abs are going lose, like the quarters, they're right

Not overrated. Just set different odds as idiots like us bet with our hearts, and they need to adjust their odds. It's not a function of how the TAB rate the team's chances.

booboo

@MiketheSnow said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.

If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.

Your mob were saying the same about England last go round

Which mob? Pretty sure we all saw that as 50/50 at best.

antipodean

This reads weird; hundreds of posts of All Black fans trying to convince themselves they could win a quarter final.

Machpants

@antipodean said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

This reads weird; hundreds of posts of All Black fans trying to convince themselves they could win a quarter final.

Abs could win, totally. Will we? No

Mattasaurus

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Machpants

Honestly I think DMAC should be fullback.

I don’t mind the occasional chip kick. As long as it is used sparingly as part of a varied attach to keep Ireland on the back foot and guessing what we will come up with next.

If we see to many it is because we are running out of ideas asnd he simply cannot help himself from doing them as this is his only way he can make something happen.

OR Ireland see kicking the ball to BB as a good idea.. as 9/10 times he will put us under further pressure..

canefan

@MN5 said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@DaGrubster said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones

Ok, not desperate then. Highly motivated to prove that they are a better side after being written off all week.

If they can't get up for this one... How many times have we said this about the Fozz blacks only to see them falter? I dare them to prove us wrong

Would be Foster era in a nutshell if we spank Ireland then lose to Wales.

If the ABs get past Ireland ( massive IF there ) I really don’t see Wales or Argentina putting up enough fight to stop them getting into the final.

Now if they were playing us in NZ......

taniwharugby

@Mattasaurus yes it will be interesting to see if there has been any foxing by Fozzie (evidence says no) as you really do question some of the tactics so maybe they have been playing that way, inviting Ireland to play to this, only for us to actually have a plan.

Problem is, Ireland are the smartest team going around at the moment, I expect them to be able to adapt to anything we throw at them, although if we get a couple of scores up fairly early, that will test the strength of thier wheels given the historical pressure of the RWC sitting on them.

canefan

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Mattasaurus yes it will be interesting to see if there has been any foxing by Fozzie (evidence says no) as you really do question some of the tactics so maybe they have been playing that way, inviting Ireland to play to this, only for us to actually have a plan.

Problem is, Ireland are the smartest team going around at the moment, I expect them to be able to adapt to anything we throw at them, although if we get a couple of scores up fairly early, that will test the strength of thier wheels given the historical pressure of the RWC sitting on them.

I just want us to stop beating ourselves. Force them to outplay us

Nevorian

@taniwharugby said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Machpants so they had us as faves for the test we won in SA last year?

Kinda proves my point about the TAB and thier odds setting?

TAB must think we have our Aura back

Duluth

@Mr-Fish said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Seeing a lot of comments that suggest NZ are underrated, aren't as bad as everyone is making out etc... I'd love to see some of the reasoning behind that?

The All Blacks are a slightly better team than when they last played Ireland, thanks primarily to the additions of Tyrel Lomax and Jordie Barrett, but they've still flattered to deceive in the past two years.

Since losing that Ireland series, the All Blacks have played 19 games.

Of those 19 games, the only tough opposition they've faced has been South Africa (four times) and France (once). They won two of those matches against the Boks, one game in Auckland and one game at Ellis Park. They lost the other two, in Mbombela and on neutral turf at Twickenham. They lost to France.

The rest of the games they played were against bang average sides. They almost lost to a poor Japan side, who are a shadow of the team that did so well at the 2019 World Cup, and probably would have lost to Scotland if the weight of history hadn't been such a massive chip on the Scots' shoulders.

They drew with England despite having a massive lead and also suffered a historic loss against Argentina in NZ. Argentina are only going through to the quarter-finals of the WC thanks to being in the easiest group and would not have progressed had they been placed in Pools A or B. Throw in the wins against arguably the worst Wallabies and Wales teams of all time, and there's not a whole lot to crow about.

This team is very average and at the moment it feels like people are saying the All Blacks are underrated purely based on irrelevant history. I'd love to know what some posters here think is being overlooked?

Yeah I agree with most of this. There's some fundamental issues with the team

The cleanout work of the tight five has been poor for a long time and quick ball is essential for how we try to play. Sometimes we'll have a game where it improves then it'll be followed by another couple of games of crap. I think it's a player quality issue. S Barrett is the only guy that performs every week.

Our game management is abysmal. Blame SR, it doesn't produce a skillset for tight Test matches where pragmatic opposition keeps the errors low.

We seem to have committed to a game plan with a lot of contestable kicks. Which is fine.. but our kick chase is not very good, it seems to have gone backwards this year

I think the team is rated about right

However we still have players that can do freakish stuff - Jordan, Telea, Ioane, Savea. The fluffy stuff not the arm wrestle

Look at the good performances in the last few years, it's usually based around a ten minute blitz where the game is won. Almost always in the first half and often towards the beginning

Take the first Irish Test last year. Reece scores against the run of play and we get with 21 points in 8mins. Game over. Final score 42-19

tldr - the team is a bit shit, the team doesn't play for 80mins, the team is unlikely to win an attritional slog but we still have the ability to pile on points very quickly

mariner4life

i think our cleanout issues are a direct result of two things
Our set up, and
our inability to win first contact

We set up flat, don't hit on to the ball, and more often than not the play is a tip on to another forward who is also flat. It means our cleaners aren't arriving to any sort of advantage, which means technique has to be perfect, it doesn't take much being wrong to miss that assignment.
And that flat set up means our guys don't win first contact. Of all guys, Frizzell is the key to getting us on the front foot. He hits the ball at pace at a slight unders angle. A Savea's angle on the breakout against Uruguay was also perfect.

What we don't want is too much Savea "yards after contact" which look great, but usually just result in slow messy ball.
If we are wedded to flat flat flat then everyone better not miss their assignments.

Duluth

@mariner4life said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

What we don't want is too much Savea "yards after contact" which look great, but usually just result in slow messy ball.

Telea's carries resulted in a couple of turnovers v France. The forwards expected the target to be 3-4m further back

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RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland