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@antipodean said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Hate crime is defined as ‘any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice towards someone based on a personal characteristic.’
With that qualifier I'm not surprised it hit a record high.
May be wrong, but I think any "hate crime" must be recorded no matter how ridiculous or trivial LINK. E.g:
"A pensioner was questioned by police for a “hate incident” after taking a picture of a sticker that said “keep males out of women-only spaces”. A sticker had been placed on top of the poster that said “keep males out of women-only spaces”, referring to transgender women who are born male.
But the 73-year-old was left shocked when, several days after she took a picture of the sticker, officers from West Yorkshire Police turned up at her home and recorded it as a non-crime hate incident (NCHI).
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@Victor-Meldrew Clown show
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@Victor-Meldrew West Yorkshire sounds delightful if that's occupying the police. Nothing else to do!
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@antipodean No grooming scandals to investigate in West Yorkshire. That is a South Yorkshire police problem
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@BlueWall_noReds said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Hate crimes against transgender people hit record high in England and Wales
Increase of 11% in recorded incidents may be due to comments in media and by politicians, says Home Office report
No they don't
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@Winger said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Dodge said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I don’t care what people wear and if people want to wear something ‘non traditional’ it’s no skin off my nose.
Want to wear. Or required to wear
Just asking
Not sure where the question is coming from, if it’s a uniform question, then the point is to be easily identifiable when representing an organisation, if there are two or more representative uniforms, one man’s one woman’s for the sake of argument, then I don’t care which one people choose to wear and I don’t see why anyone else would either.
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@Winger said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Dodge said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
that exclusion means that tech are taking their recruits from only 50% of the population - that’s a waste of potential talent.
Or maybe a waste of, on average, less talent.
Just maybe we are different and this results in one
sexgender being more suited to one type of work than the other gender. Why not just accept this and accept that, to get the best mix, one gender will dominate certain sectors.Well since we don’t know for sure that there are no women who would make great tech employees (and it seems somewhat unlikely to be true to me) it seems purely economic good sense to try and find them / create an environment where you can find them even if it’s 1 in 10 women as opposed to 1 in 5 men. Again - I’ve no idea if those ratios are true at all.
Accepting different proportions of men / women in an industry based on preferences is fine as long as there are no easily resolvable sexist barriers that are really driving those preferences. This is an economics argument, not a moral one
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@Dodge Remove all barriers and allow people to aspire to work in the jobs they want. If they are good enough, they will. Agreed on that.
However, stop manipulating the numbers to suit an agenda and over promoting people who aren't the best at what they do in the spirit of "fairness", "equality" or "equity".
in Sweden, the liberal establishments poster child for many years, when sex and gender biases were removed, women chose professions that were more agreeable in nature. Men less so. So when given the choice, women chose nursing, caring customer facing, people interactive roles naturally, even in a gender non-binary society.
This isn't solely an issue for sexes. This is the outcome of cross-sectionality and antiquated hard socialist thinking.
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Trans+ People Are Under Attack. Here's What You Can Do To Help
“We need dialogue, openness and strength to include all parts of each other."
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The trans lobby don’t want dialogue, they want compliance. That article is so riddled with factual inaccuracies and hyperbole it’s impossible to read. The entire thing seems to be a call for people to donate money to organisations to lobby out of sight.
I see the Australian Human Rights Commission have refused to allow a lesbian only event that exclude males. Jesus that’s insane. It seems women’s rights are not human rights
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@Dodge said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
The trans lobby don’t want dialogue, they want compliance. That article is so riddled with factual inaccuracies and hyperbole it’s impossible to read. The entire thing seems to be a call for people to donate money to organisations to lobby out of sight.
I see the Australian Human Rights Commission have refused to allow a lesbian only event that exclude males. Jesus that’s insane. It seems women’s rights are not human rights
Is that insane? Would we allow a straight-male-only event, #nohomo?
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It’s a good question, given how many traditional men’s places have been forced to admit women, cricket pavilions, golf clubs etc. it presumably is also impossible to have any gatherings of men in Aus without females also insisting a right to attend. Given the history though, I’d suggest that’s less of an issue. I do think men should be allowed places of their own, particularly therapy etc.
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@Dodge I was more referring to the “lesbian only” part which implied that straight women were also excluded. Maybe that wasn’t the case?
I’m totally in favour of women’s or men’s only spaces - it’s an interesting step from there though to exclude on sexuality, gets a bit murky!
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@voodoo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@Dodge I was more referring to the “lesbian only” part which implied that straight women were also excluded. Maybe that wasn’t the case?
I’m totally in favour of women’s or men’s only spaces - it’s an interesting step from there though to exclude on sexuality, gets a bit murky!
Ah right, got you. I may be wrong but i don't think they're fighting to not allow straight women, merely would expect that to be a 'self selection' criteria. As you would have thought a Lesbian event would have a natural 'self selection' criteria that means men wouldn't attend. It highlights how mental the situation is IMO
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I don't know whether to say "there must be a better way of resolving this sort of stuff" or thinking the bloke is living in cloud cuckoo land
Trans footballer quits women's team and threatens to sue for discrimination after 'rivals refused to play against her'
A female transgender footballer is considering taking legal action for discrimination after a series of rival teams 'refused to play against her'.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
I don't know whether to say "there must be a better way of resolving this sort of stuff" or thinking the bloke is living in cloud cuckoo land
Trans footballer quits women's team and threatens to sue for discrimination after 'rivals refused to play against her'
A female transgender footballer is considering taking legal action for discrimination after a series of rival teams 'refused to play against her'.
The use of the word "female" as if he is...
Who are LBC?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
@booboo said in Transgender debate, in sport, in general:
Who are LBC?
Major UK radio news network.
With reporting like that I thought they were Pink News or equivalent.
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