RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland

junior

@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Roigard is a similar kind of player to Conor Murray. Ireland have 2 different style 9s in their 23. If NZ chose Christie, it suggests the ABs have one way of playing. What happens if it doesn't work? Christie isn't exactly going to snipe round the fringe.

More importantly, Christie's execution simply isn't going to be anywhere near Nuggie's. This is important because that style is built entirely around Nuggie's once-in-a-lifetime quality passing game. Take that away, and that particular way of playing just doesn't work. Without Nuggie, therefore, you would be better off and more effective changing your pattern of play entirely.

junior

@KiwiMurph said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

It makes no sense to go cold on Roigard based on one start vs Uruguay where he came right anyway.

Christie has often struggled when starting (and from the bench mind you).

If it indeed is Christie you get the sense Fozzie was looking for a reason not to select Roigard.

Yes, and if we are going to judge our reserve halfbacks by their hiccups during this tournament, let us not forget Christie's train wreck against France in the opening match.

Victor Meldrew

@junior said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

If it's a "young rookie being overawed and shitting bed risk", what evidence do you have that Roigard is more likely to shit the bed than Christie

If I give Christie a 5/10 in a tight, must-win Test (probably really generous based on recent form), what rating would you give Roigard? The answer is you can't because he hasn't. That's an unknown. Which is a risk.

Does Roigard's skill-set, recent experience & performances merit taking that risk? Absolutely, and that's why I think he should be picked.

MiketheSnow

@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@MiketheSnow he's not the same as Smith though. He's the one that is more like Murray - flimsy wide pass, tends to fuck around, run off the ruck and throw a short pass.

We (The Fern) think that

Obviously Foster doesn't

Foster is conservative

He obviously feels Christie is less of a risk

Bones

@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

That's an unknown. Which is a risk.

It's really not.

Bones

But true, Bridge would be a much better pick than Faingaanuku on the bench eh. Because at least George can be rated on tough tests.

nostrildamus

Conversely if we lose the tough tests maybe that is exactly why we should consider the unptedictable but not fully tested players? And what has Foster got to lose?

Bones

@nostrildamus he's already had to concede on the props and the midfield. He won't be proven wrong on hooker and halfback too.

canefan

@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus he's already had to concede on the props and the midfield. He won't be proven wrong on hooker and halfback too.

I hope they have the bed made up at Keith Murdoch's old place

Derm McCrum

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Bones

@Derm-McCrum "everyone take two bags" obviously doesn't fit in Fozzie logic

Bones

@canefan said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@nostrildamus he's already had to concede on the props and the midfield. He won't be proven wrong on hooker and halfback too.

I hope they have the bed made up at Keith Murdoch's old place

This is a perfectly random nostrildamus post, well done sir.

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Derm McCrum

@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Derm-McCrum "everyone take two bags" obviously doesn't fit in Fozzie logic

I thought it might be passing practice - but obviously I'll defer to your greater knowledge and insights.

MiketheSnow

@Derm-McCrum said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

Schmidt's new team cohesion programme.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The All Blacks bag chain is unmatched <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllBlacks?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#AllBlacks</a> <a href="https://t.co/hUbXzsPdWv">pic.twitter.com/hUbXzsPdWv</a></p>— All Blacks (@AllBlacks) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1712275148102160455?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">October 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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stodders

@BerniesCorner cloudy and cold

canefan

@stodders said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@BerniesCorner cloudy and cold

So just another Summer's day in Dublin?

Bones

@Derm-McCrum said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Bones said in RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland:

@Derm-McCrum "everyone take two bags" obviously doesn't fit in Fozzie logic

I thought it might be passing practice - but obviously I'll defer to your greater knowledge and insights.

Would make sense why I didn't see Christie and Faingaanuku there. Bags would've ended up at Ireland's hotel.

voodoo

Some really bizarre logic in here from folk defending Christie over Roigard.

Makes zero sense if it happens. Even Roigard potentially shitting the bed would be preferable to Christie slowly strangling us.

The thing for me though, is that when you look across the teams, we don’t have a huge number of areas of clear advantage. Breakdown, set piece, discipline, kicking game - all equal or advantage Ireland. Where we could absolutely have an advantage is the bench. Roigard and DMac can bring a real point of difference to the backs in the final 20mins

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RWC QF: All Blacks v Ireland