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RWC SF: England v Springboks

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  • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

    Going to this one too

    Can't see anything but an England hammering

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    @MiketheSnow Stranger things have happened. I mean, Greece won the Euros in 2004 FFS!

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    • MiketheSnowM MiketheSnow

      Going to this one too

      Can't see anything but an England hammering

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      @MiketheSnow Did you think Wales were going to finish 2nd in their pool? 😉

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        Was trying to work out what would have to happen during the game for me to think we have a chance, I think the Boks will have to lose two loose head props early in the game, preferably to red cards, then Eben & PSDT to reds, then for Kolbe to pull a hamstring

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        @Dodge said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

        Was trying to work out what would have to happen during the game for me to think we have a chance, I think the Boks will have to lose two loose head props early in the game, preferably to red cards, then Eben & PSDT to reds, then for Kolbe to pull a hamstring

        So we sneak a draw and go through on tries score? (1xpt)?

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          even with a 4 man advantage and a hobbling winger we'd fuck up an overlap

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            2 SH refs for the semis then. They know.

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              even with a 4 man advantage and a hobbling winger we'd fuck up an overlap

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              @Dodge according to the Walrus, England need to unleash their inner France and take it to the Boks to help the tournament recover from losing the amazing French team (that couldn't catch a ball on Sunday).

              Even Woodward's Harlem Globe Trotters wouldn't have tried doing that!

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                England have a pack that can compete in grunt stakes. A decent stable of props, hookers and second rows.

                The back row of Lawes, Curry and Earl is full of mongrel.

                It is in the backline where concerns are raised, because even if the forwards get (near) parity in their battle with the Boks, what the hell are the backs going to do with it?

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                  Surely Freddie Steward has to come back as he is England's best high kick receiver, which means the boy wonder drops to the bench or out of the 23 altogether (if Ford is retained on the bench).

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                    @MiketheSnow Did you think Wales were going to finish 2nd in their pool? 😉

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                    @stodders said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

                    @MiketheSnow Did you think Wales were going to finish 2nd in their pool? 😉

                    TBH yes

                    Oz first, us second

                    Us to beat England in the QF

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                      Surely Freddie Steward has to come back as he is England's best high kick receiver, which means the boy wonder drops to the bench or out of the 23 altogether (if Ford is retained on the bench).

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                      @stodders Yeah, they’ll need him there. Maybe play him at 14. Keep Smith at 15 and just run him at flailing arms all night.

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                      • D Dodge

                        even with a 4 man advantage and a hobbling winger we'd fuck up an overlap

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                        Catogrande
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                        @Dodge said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

                        even with a 4 man advantage and a hobbling winger we'd fuck up an overlap

                        A moot point as by the time the scrum half has waited for the requisite number of pods to get into position, the overlap has gone.

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                          England have a pack that can compete in grunt stakes. A decent stable of props, hookers and second rows.

                          The back row of Lawes, Curry and Earl is full of mongrel.

                          It is in the backline where concerns are raised, because even if the forwards get (near) parity in their battle with the Boks, what the hell are the backs going to do with it?

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                          @stodders

                          Our props aren’t that good. Genge a good rather than great scrummager but a mongrel around the park. Sinckler an ok scrummager, good hands and a good carrier. Marler is just vanilla these days outside of his after match comments. Cole can scrum but is glacial around the park. Rodd and Stewart are not up to the job in any department.

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                            Although I generally like the Springboks, I would enjoy the most if England hammer them like they did the ABs in 2019 and then go down in a whimper to the ABs in the final, again as in 2019 only it was to the Boks. If Argentina win the semi, I want the Boks to win and then win the final too. Argentina always with the soccer theatrics, don't like them

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                              @Dodge @Catogrande

                              “England's Ben Earl would be close to getting into a World XV based on his form at the Rugby World Cup, defence coach Kevin Sinfield has said.”

                              From the Beeb. Earl has played v well. A standout for England. Tough competition though at no 8 in a World XV.

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                                @Dodge @Catogrande

                                “England's Ben Earl would be close to getting into a World XV based on his form at the Rugby World Cup, defence coach Kevin Sinfield has said.”

                                From the Beeb. Earl has played v well. A standout for England. Tough competition though at no 8 in a World XV.

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                                @stodders said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

                                @Dodge @Catogrande

                                “England's Ben Earl would be close to getting into a World XV based on his form at the Rugby World Cup, defence coach Kevin Sinfield has said.”

                                From the Beeb. Earl has played v well. A standout for England. Tough competition though at no 8 in a World XV.

                                I think he meant performances, not form. Cos he is like an overzealous actor out there, the fucking tool

                                Rodd and Stewart are not up to the job in any department.

                                He had a few banger songs, so that's a bit harsh

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                                  @Dodge @Catogrande

                                  “England's Ben Earl would be close to getting into a World XV based on his form at the Rugby World Cup, defence coach Kevin Sinfield has said.”

                                  From the Beeb. Earl has played v well. A standout for England. Tough competition though at no 8 in a World XV.

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                                  @stodders

                                  Earl has been very good but not really in a traditional No8 way. He’s been playing a great flanker’s role with an 8 on his back. A bit like Savea from a year or so back.

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                                    @Dodge @Catogrande

                                    “England's Ben Earl would be close to getting into a World XV based on his form at the Rugby World Cup, defence coach Kevin Sinfield has said.”

                                    From the Beeb. Earl has played v well. A standout for England. Tough competition though at no 8 in a World XV.

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                                    @stodders said in RWC SF: England v Springboks:

                                    @Dodge @Catogrande

                                    “England's Ben Earl would be close to getting into a World XV based on his form at the Rugby World Cup, defence coach Kevin Sinfield has said.”

                                    From the Beeb. Earl has played v well. A standout for England. Tough competition though at no 8 in a World XV.

                                    Give yourself an uppercut Kevin

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                                      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2023/10/17/england-rassie-erasmus-south-africa-dark-arts-world-cup/

                                      Gatland voices his opinion on Rassie and suggests what Borthwick should bring up with officials pre-match

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                                        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2023/10/17/england-v-south-africa-latest-rugby-world-cup-joel-stransky/

                                        Stransky does a 2003 Fitzy 😂. He’d better hope they win. Humble pie is difficult to swallow 😬

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                                        The first part of the quote probably describes SA’s gameplan quite well too. 😬

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                                          South African media bullish about Bok chances:

                                          https://supersport.com/rugby/rugby-world-cup/news/1461e9c3-d96e-403f-bb3b-74268564b020/treating-saturday-as-another-final-is-key-for-boks

                                          "Yet while the different routes they took to the semifinals may be England’s big hope, meaning that less may have been taken out of them than has been taken out of the South Africans, that didn’t really look to be the case after their close win over Fiji in Marseille. They were playing lesser opponents and it was definitely a lower tier and inferior game to either of the Paris quarterfinals, but Owen Farrell’s team had to work as hard for victory as the Boks did.

                                          They also don't have the depth, no other team has, that the Boks have, and therefore don't have the leeway their opponents may have when it comes to ensuring or even creating freshness."

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