RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
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Cards aside, I reckon we hit most of our KPIs today.
@mariner4life Lineout and Scrum were massive and we conceded way fewer penalties.
Awesome Bok defence, the cards, poor goalkicking and the backline being off killed us today.
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
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Can’t get over the fact SA won this in spite of the genius coach, lineout nearly cost them because he didn’t pick a hooker, backline he got away with it because they didn’t play any rugby and NZ knocked on in wide channels too many times. Pollard did nothing and kicked badly in the second half because he was knackered. Bomb squad had no impact whatsoever. Jeez I hate Rassie
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Funny, because at the time it looked like head on head contact and worse than Cane's....
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@mariner4life Lineout and Scrum were massive and we conceded way fewer penalties.
Awesome Bok defence, the cards, poor goalkicking and the backline being off killed us today.
@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life Lineout and Scrum were massive and we conceded way fewer penalties.
Awesome Bok defence, the cards, poor goalkicking and the backline being off killed us today.
Abs 5 penalties, boks 10. Plus the 2 cards each, I guess they aren't counted on the penalties
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Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
So often when a game goes like today’s it’s the little things that matter the most and become big things! The goal kick misses even though 2 good penalties had been kicked. The knock on by ALB even though he had made a good catch and run down the right side not long before that.
Boks unlucky to score a try down the right side too if not for a foot in touch and knock on.
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Well done the Boks. Hugely physical team.
The head contact feels completely random. Kolisi YC, Cane Red, and the 'glancing contact' on EDG is nowt. Missed the Etsebeth elbow, so who knows.Despite the adversity, we created enough to win that game. Handling was poor, and even then missing kicks cost us.
Play of the game: Kolbe knocking the ball on. I reckon we score from there - and they weren't getting a try tonight; that would have been the game.
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
I mean that’s how I read it too - all season both would have been red but something changed after a week or so of the tournament and Kolisi’s had more mitigation than Cane’s.
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
So often when a game goes like today’s it’s the little things that matter the most and become big things! The goal kick misses even though 2 good penalties had been kicked. The knock on by ALB even though he had made a good catch and run down the right side not long before that.
Boks unlucky to score a try down the right side too if not for a foot in touch and knock on.
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Boks unlucky to score a try down the right side too if not for a foot in touch and knock on.
Did you see Smith dragged into the scrum that started that movmeent? Would the TMO go back for that if they scored? Ah, the big questions in life
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Well done the Boks. Hugely physical team.
The head contact feels completely random. Kolisi YC, Cane Red, and the 'glancing contact' on EDG is nowt. Missed the Etsebeth elbow, so who knows.Despite the adversity, we created enough to win that game. Handling was poor, and even then missing kicks cost us.
Play of the game: Kolbe knocking the ball on. I reckon we score from there - and they weren't getting a try tonight; that would have been the game.
@nzzp I definitely think we score there
In behind them and numbers in support
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
So often when a game goes like today’s it’s the little things that matter the most and become big things! The goal kick misses even though 2 good penalties had been kicked. The knock on by ALB even though he had made a good catch and run down the right side not long before that.
Boks unlucky to score a try down the right side too if not for a foot in touch and knock on.
@ACT-Crusader Kolisi blew a try too by going for it.
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@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Funny, because at the time it looked like head on head contact and worse than Cane's....
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Funny, because at the time it looked like head on head contact and worse than Cane's....
That's why the review process exists at this level. "At the time" can be a poor helper when it comes to these decisions.
The bunker looks at it, fuck, I wish I had one on the sideline reffing amateurs
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
Because it's pissing in the wind. Pointless, shoulda been whinging before about their water boys and stuff
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Funny, because at the time it looked like head on head contact and worse than Cane's....
That's why the review process exists at this level. "At the time" can be a poor helper when it comes to these decisions.
The bunker looks at it, fuck, I wish I had one on the sideline reffing amateurs
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Funny, because at the time it looked like head on head contact and worse than Cane's....
That's why the review process exists at this level. "At the time" can be a poor helper when it comes to these decisions.
The bunker looks at it, fuck, I wish I had one on the sideline reffing amateurs
Ironically we didn't need an even number of players to win. We just needed to hold our passes and kick our kicks...
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The one thing that I don't think we should let the coaching team and players off with is our poor discipline. We all knew this was a problem and has been a big problem over the last few years, so why have they not fixed it? Two yellows against Ireland and the cards today in the two biggest games of the year is simply unforgivable.
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Stargazer said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes.
I seriously hope they won't.
I fucking hope they do. We've been coping shit from fluffybunnies like Ireland, moaning and whinging, but fuck it. They got some real shit calls. If that were SA losing, the stadium would have been burned to the ground but now.
Nah won't change the result. The time to whinge, in today's culture, is to whine before the game to effect the ref
I know it won't change the result. But why should they lie down and cop that shit?
What does it achieve other than making you look like sour grapes whingers
ABs did phenomenally well to create enough chances to win but couldn't take them.
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Fair enough. They looked about as harsh as eachothers to my ( untrained ) eye.
Nisbo thought so too.
