RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
Stats aye. I wonder what the turnover to possession ratio is?
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have no problem with the outcome of either captain's card. Clear difference based on the framework and mitigation.
Can you elaborate further ? How was Canes harsher than Kolisis ? ( i missed part of the latters as I was getting my third helping of bacon and eggs )
Cane was upright, with reasonable force, direct contact. No mitigation.
Kolisi had contact through the body, lowered himself a little, and the head contact was almost incidental like a whiplash.
Seems they were looking for mitigation for Golden Boy.
No mitigation for Cane for the sudden dip and change of direction?
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I think this meme is more accurate than the one with Barnes holding the cup.
I don't think he was too bad, aside from that Faf knock on at the scrum made up call, but the TMO certainly got his share of the screen time.
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
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What could we have done differently.
I think Roigard on the bench could have given us what we needed at the death. I think we missed a few touches we would have liked to have again and I think we went for the corner too early when there were points on offer. Should Cane have made more of the forearm to the face. Probably squeaky wheel and all that. Finally I think dmac needed more time to work some magic for us. He looked dangerous with every touch.
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Oops sorry, we just had our all time worst player red carded in the final. What a big snooze!
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I think this meme is more accurate than the one with Barnes holding the cup.
I don't think he was too bad, aside from that Faf knock on at the scrum made up call, but the TMO certainly got his share of the screen time.
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
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@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
Stats aye. I wonder what the turnover to possession ratio is?
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
Stats aye. I wonder what the turnover to possession ratio is?
Better characterized by "every time we got in a position to do something good, we fucked it up". And it seemed like lots.
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Can’t get over the fact SA won this in spite of the genius coach, lineout nearly cost them because he didn’t pick a hooker, backline he got away with it because they didn’t play any rugby and NZ knocked on in wide channels too many times. Pollard did nothing and kicked badly in the second half because he was knackered. Bomb squad had no impact whatsoever. Jeez I hate Rassie
@Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Can’t get over the fact SA won this in spite of the genius coach, lineout nearly cost them because he didn’t pick a hooker, backline he got away with it because they didn’t play any rugby and NZ knocked on in wide channels too many times. Pollard did nothing and kicked badly in the second half because he was knackered. Bomb squad had no impact whatsoever. Jeez I hate Rassie
He just has the midas touch. Some people are just winners and he is one of them. Somehow the stars will always align for people like these.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Reminds me of that game when in SA when the TMO made a correct design but disregarded protocol. Now the balance has really tipped too far
"Dou you want more information, Nigel?" - "Yes" - "The last pass was forward". Remember that interaction, I think Jimmy Cowan was the passer or try scorer, and if memory serves me right, the TMO was a Saffer. In a game involving South Africa. Weird stuff
@Tordah said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Reminds me of that game when in SA when the TMO made a correct design but disregarded protocol. Now the balance has really tipped too far
"Dou you want more information, Nigel?" - "Yes" - "The last pass was forward". Remember that interaction, I think Jimmy Cowan was the passer or try scorer, and if memory serves me right, the TMO was a Saffer. In a game involving South Africa. Weird stuff
Izzy Dagg involved maybe?
TMO was late replacement I think.
Correct but wrong call. Difficult to feel aggrieved.
Bit like Ardie's knock on. Disappointing but correct call.
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@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
Huh, I was saying the exact same thing.
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I don't blame Barnes. But if you give Cane a red, Kolisi is gone for all money. There were forearms and that fucking scrum at the end. That's an ABs penalty in minute 2. Frizzel, well fuck. I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes. Fuck world rugby. Fuck the TMO. That was a disgrace.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't blame Barnes.
How can you not? He abrogated his responsibility to a clown of a TMO.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Aaron Smith should have played the full 80. Cam will be the 9 next year if he continues on his arc
Colesy and Roigard should have played.
@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Aaron Smith should have played the full 80. Cam will be the 9 next year if he continues on his arc
Colesy and Roigard should have played.
Sami T was good I thought, Taylor lost some crucial moments.
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@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
Huh, I was saying the exact same thing.
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
Huh, I was saying the exact same thing.
yeah sorry - not directed at you, but some of the other posts complaining about him
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@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
I think there were a number of inconsistencies with the way Barnes reffed the tackle and ruck.
“Hands on the ground”, ABs penalised. He didn’t even say he wasn’t supporting his body weight (aka Owen’s interpretation), yet there were at least two other times that Boks players had their hands on the ground and were awarded a penalty or a TO occurred.
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This sounds super harsh but I'm glad we are starting a new chapter
@BerniesCorner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
This sounds super harsh but I'm glad we are starting a new chapter
'Razor's got this'?
Or a little too early to say this? -
Well done Springboks, the more clinical team won.
Some of my thoughts on the game:
- All Blacks had plenty of opportunity to win that game, but were not good enough.
A couple of dud line outs early on, knock ons, forcing unnecessary 50/50 passes.
- The highly controversial calls all went against us.
The penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.
The inconsistency in dishing out cards. How the fuck Cane got red and Kolisi didn’t is an absolute disgrace and a blight on the game.
- Boks slowing tactics. Again.
Something seriously needs to be done to put an end to these endless stoppages.
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The ABs ability to still be in with a chance to win after playing the majority of the game with only 14 men. I thought it was absolutely game over when the red card came. So that was bloody gutsy and admirable.
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The most obvious and costly thing for me, The ABs lack of composure when it mattered. Many times we got into the Bok red zone, and we forced a pass that didn’t need to be forced or dropped the ball, or fluffed a lineout.
Fuck fuck fuck!
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
Theirs barely touched it... But our errors were often unforced, which was frustrating
