RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Reminds me of that game when in SA when the TMO made a correct design but disregarded protocol. Now the balance has really tipped too far
"Dou you want more information, Nigel?" - "Yes" - "The last pass was forward". Remember that interaction, I think Jimmy Cowan was the passer or try scorer, and if memory serves me right, the TMO was a Saffer. In a game involving South Africa. Weird stuff
@Tordah said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp yeah as I said above, I find this aspect most frustrating, I general play the TMO Will ignore knock ons, forward passes etc...but if a try is scored.he scours the game to find one to scrub it out.
I mean Barnes.saw that knock by Ardie, said it went back, let it go, so TMO has over ruled the ref (yes with the correct call) maybe justbhave spider cam and 3 refs sit in a room full of cameras and the whistle over over the loudspeaker...
I realise the game.would be even more stop start, but maybe need to go back to the days of the.ref asking for the input and they can only intervene on foul play.
Reminds me of that game when in SA when the TMO made a correct design but disregarded protocol. Now the balance has really tipped too far
"Dou you want more information, Nigel?" - "Yes" - "The last pass was forward". Remember that interaction, I think Jimmy Cowan was the passer or try scorer, and if memory serves me right, the TMO was a Saffer. In a game involving South Africa. Weird stuff
Izzy Dagg involved maybe?
TMO was late replacement I think.
Correct but wrong call. Difficult to feel aggrieved.
Bit like Ardie's knock on. Disappointing but correct call.
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@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
Huh, I was saying the exact same thing.
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I don't blame Barnes. But if you give Cane a red, Kolisi is gone for all money. There were forearms and that fucking scrum at the end. That's an ABs penalty in minute 2. Frizzel, well fuck. I fucking hope Foster and Ryan come out and throw sour grapes. Fuck world rugby. Fuck the TMO. That was a disgrace.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't blame Barnes.
How can you not? He abrogated his responsibility to a clown of a TMO.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Aaron Smith should have played the full 80. Cam will be the 9 next year if he continues on his arc
Colesy and Roigard should have played.
@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Aaron Smith should have played the full 80. Cam will be the 9 next year if he continues on his arc
Colesy and Roigard should have played.
Sami T was good I thought, Taylor lost some crucial moments.
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@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
Huh, I was saying the exact same thing.
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
Huh, I was saying the exact same thing.
yeah sorry - not directed at you, but some of the other posts complaining about him
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@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The only thing I'd really call Barnes out on was that he would call play it earlier for Smith than for Faf.
None of that was on Barnes. Barnes was fine, it was the random TMO coming in that was the difference. Barnes shouldn't be copping it
I think there were a number of inconsistencies with the way Barnes reffed the tackle and ruck.
“Hands on the ground”, ABs penalised. He didn’t even say he wasn’t supporting his body weight (aka Owen’s interpretation), yet there were at least two other times that Boks players had their hands on the ground and were awarded a penalty or a TO occurred.
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This sounds super harsh but I'm glad we are starting a new chapter
@BerniesCorner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
This sounds super harsh but I'm glad we are starting a new chapter
'Razor's got this'?
Or a little too early to say this? -
Well done Springboks, the more clinical team won.
Some of my thoughts on the game:
- All Blacks had plenty of opportunity to win that game, but were not good enough.
A couple of dud line outs early on, knock ons, forcing unnecessary 50/50 passes.
- The highly controversial calls all went against us.
The penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.
The inconsistency in dishing out cards. How the fuck Cane got red and Kolisi didn’t is an absolute disgrace and a blight on the game.
- Boks slowing tactics. Again.
Something seriously needs to be done to put an end to these endless stoppages.
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The ABs ability to still be in with a chance to win after playing the majority of the game with only 14 men. I thought it was absolutely game over when the red card came. So that was bloody gutsy and admirable.
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The most obvious and costly thing for me, The ABs lack of composure when it mattered. Many times we got into the Bok red zone, and we forced a pass that didn’t need to be forced or dropped the ball, or fluffed a lineout.
Fuck fuck fuck!
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
Theirs barely touched it... But our errors were often unforced, which was frustrating
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't blame Barnes.
How can you not? He abrogated his responsibility to a clown of a TMO.
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't blame Barnes.
How can you not? He abrogated his responsibility to a clown of a TMO.
The cards are out of his hands that's fine. But the sorry penalty and the Etzebeth lazy runner are just bad calls. Also he needs to ask the tmo how many phases back the knock on he missed was. That's on him 100%
He managed general play really well but the big moments yeah he fluffed an couple.
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Ok. Am no longer angry with Barnesie personally.
But still pissed off with some of the officiating.
Congrats to the Bokke and supporters and especially the Saffer crew on here.
I'm remarkably calm about the loss, though disappointed.
Looking forward to a new era and fresh start.
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That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
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Ok. Am no longer angry with Barnesie personally.
But still pissed off with some of the officiating.
Congrats to the Bokke and supporters and especially the Saffer crew on here.
I'm remarkably calm about the loss, though disappointed.
Looking forward to a new era and fresh start.
@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Ok. Am no longer angry with Barnesie personally.
But still pissed off with some of the officiating.
Congrats to the Bokke and supporters and especially the Saffer crew on here.
I'm remarkably calm about the loss, though disappointed.
Looking forward to a new era and fresh start.
Probably comes from feeling we achieved more than most of us predicted
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How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
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How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
Fair enough. But about the officials, it wasn't a sudden revelation that we haven't played to the officials well, we've been behind on this the entire RWC.
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@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Ok. Am no longer angry with Barnesie personally.
But still pissed off with some of the officiating.
Congrats to the Bokke and supporters and especially the Saffer crew on here.
I'm remarkably calm about the loss, though disappointed.
Looking forward to a new era and fresh start.
Probably comes from feeling we achieved more than most of us predicted
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Ok. Am no longer angry with Barnesie personally.
But still pissed off with some of the officiating.
Congrats to the Bokke and supporters and especially the Saffer crew on here.
I'm remarkably calm about the loss, though disappointed.
Looking forward to a new era and fresh start.
Probably comes from feeling we achieved more than most of us predicted
This is true.
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Man I would back Jordie to get that final kick 9 times out of 10. What a time to miss. It's going to take a long time to recover from this for so many of us. 2019 was easy cos we were clearly the 2nd best side in that semi, this feels as bad as 95 for me.
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How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
Both things can be true in this case mate. Sometimes the ref doesn't see it your way. But self inflicted wounds are coach killers
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set
