RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Rugby is a funny game.
We won the set piece. Had more ball, more carries, they made like 2 and a half the tackles we did. Made linebreaks. And we just couldn't win.
Our outside backs conceded 16 turnovers - theirs conceded five. I think that's the nub of where we lost it.
Theirs barely touched it... But our errors were often unforced, which was frustrating
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't blame Barnes.
How can you not? He abrogated his responsibility to a clown of a TMO.
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I don't blame Barnes.
How can you not? He abrogated his responsibility to a clown of a TMO.
The cards are out of his hands that's fine. But the sorry penalty and the Etzebeth lazy runner are just bad calls. Also he needs to ask the tmo how many phases back the knock on he missed was. That's on him 100%
He managed general play really well but the big moments yeah he fluffed an couple.
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Ok. Am no longer angry with Barnesie personally.
But still pissed off with some of the officiating.
Congrats to the Bokke and supporters and especially the Saffer crew on here.
I'm remarkably calm about the loss, though disappointed.
Looking forward to a new era and fresh start.
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That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
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Ok. Am no longer angry with Barnesie personally.
But still pissed off with some of the officiating.
Congrats to the Bokke and supporters and especially the Saffer crew on here.
I'm remarkably calm about the loss, though disappointed.
Looking forward to a new era and fresh start.
@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Ok. Am no longer angry with Barnesie personally.
But still pissed off with some of the officiating.
Congrats to the Bokke and supporters and especially the Saffer crew on here.
I'm remarkably calm about the loss, though disappointed.
Looking forward to a new era and fresh start.
Probably comes from feeling we achieved more than most of us predicted
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How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
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How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
Fair enough. But about the officials, it wasn't a sudden revelation that we haven't played to the officials well, we've been behind on this the entire RWC.
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@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Ok. Am no longer angry with Barnesie personally.
But still pissed off with some of the officiating.
Congrats to the Bokke and supporters and especially the Saffer crew on here.
I'm remarkably calm about the loss, though disappointed.
Looking forward to a new era and fresh start.
Probably comes from feeling we achieved more than most of us predicted
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Ok. Am no longer angry with Barnesie personally.
But still pissed off with some of the officiating.
Congrats to the Bokke and supporters and especially the Saffer crew on here.
I'm remarkably calm about the loss, though disappointed.
Looking forward to a new era and fresh start.
Probably comes from feeling we achieved more than most of us predicted
This is true.
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Man I would back Jordie to get that final kick 9 times out of 10. What a time to miss. It's going to take a long time to recover from this for so many of us. 2019 was easy cos we were clearly the 2nd best side in that semi, this feels as bad as 95 for me.
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How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
Both things can be true in this case mate. Sometimes the ref doesn't see it your way. But self inflicted wounds are coach killers
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@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set
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Man I would back Jordie to get that final kick 9 times out of 10. What a time to miss. It's going to take a long time to recover from this for so many of us. 2019 was easy cos we were clearly the 2nd best side in that semi, this feels as bad as 95 for me.
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Man I would back Jordie to get that final kick 9 times out of 10. What a time to miss. It's going to take a long time to recover from this for so many of us. 2019 was easy cos we were clearly the 2nd best side in that semi, this feels as bad as 95 for me.
The wife told me off for ranting our try scorers (the one that was and the one that wasn't) didn't try harder to get closer to the posts-it is a bugbear of mine.
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The one thing that I don't think we should let the coaching team and players off with is our poor discipline. We all knew this was a problem and has been a big problem over the last few years, so why have they not fixed it? Two yellows against Ireland and the cards today in the two biggest games of the year is simply unforgivable.
Cane was trying to get us up, and it kinda worked
Frizzell was carded for falling over
Savea was penalised for nothing.Our discipline wasn't bad today. If cane is a fraction lower on a guy changing direction we're starting to put them under pressure
@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set
I worry about his size but he seems to have this erratic style the Boks don't cope with well (on a good day).
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Let's be honest the first 30 was shite
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@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
Both things can be true in this case mate. Sometimes the ref doesn't see it your way. But self inflicted wounds are coach killers
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
How the fuck people are blaming players for losing by a point after playing the majority of the game a man down beggars belief. The slightest bit of competence from the officials and we won that.
Both things can be true in this case mate. Sometimes the ref doesn't see it your way. But self inflicted wounds are coach killers
Nah, that denies our players the kudos for being in the game right up until the final minute. That was a heroic effort and we were utterly fucked by disgraceful refereeing.
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One bit of good news, no, two:
We have the players.
Our forwards are now good enough.
We just need the plays (strategies) and the clinical execution. Oh and stop the 50-50s Jordie, when you do the basics so well you don't need them. -
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set
I worry about his size but he seems to have this erratic style the Boks don't cope with well (on a good day).
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
That final play sort of summed it up
DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.
No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set
I worry about his size but he seems to have this erratic style the Boks don't cope with well (on a good day).
Looked in control too though. I look forward to seeing him at 10 next season
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One bit of good news, no, two:
We have the players.
Our forwards are now good enough.
We just need the plays (strategies) and the clinical execution. Oh and stop the 50-50s Jordie, when you do the basics so well you don't need them.@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
One bit of good news, no, two:
We have the players.
Our forwards are now good enough.
We just need the plays (strategies) and the clinical execution. Oh and stop the 50-50s Jordie, when you do the basics so well you don't need them.I love him to bits, but I think he should have carted it up more
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@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
@Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]
Frizzell was carded for falling over
That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.
"A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.
I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly
