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  • Chris B.C Chris B.

    @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

    Frizzell was carded for falling over

    That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

    "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

    I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

    Which law?

    If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

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    @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

    @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

    Frizzell was carded for falling over

    That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

    "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

    I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

    Which law?

    If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

    20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law

    Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
    A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul.
    A player must not make contact with an opponent above the line of the shoulders.
    A player must not intentionally collapse a ruck or a maul.
    A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.

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    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

      @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

      That final play sort of summed it up
      DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

      I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

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      #1917

      @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

      @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

      That final play sort of summed it up
      DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

      I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

      And I would have taken BB off not Mo.

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        https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/all-blacks-ratings-new-zealand-heroes-let-down-by-sam-cane-s-stupidity/ar-AA1j0PbN?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDB&cvid=d2c5b7b650c74b70ba3ad0f84cd7ebaf&ei=14

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        • D Dodge

          @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

          @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

          @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

          @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

          Frizzell was carded for falling over

          That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

          "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

          I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

          Which law?

          If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

          It didn’t look 100% accidental to me, at very best it was very careless, I think they gave him the benefit of the doubt on review - ie found mitigation

          Edit Also, accidentally hitting someone in the head isn’t ok, it can be, but isn’t always.

          Anyway, I don’t know the law or how it’s been told to be reffed well enough so am only going on what the ref in the studio said

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          #1919

          @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

          @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

          @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

          @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

          @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

          Frizzell was carded for falling over

          That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

          "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

          I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

          Which law?

          If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

          It didn’t look 100% accidental to me, at very best it was very careless, I think they gave him the benefit of the doubt on review - ie found mitigation

          Kitzhoff forearmed him in the face and he fell over didn't he? Watch it again, context is clearly optional for these officials

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          • NTAN NTA

            @MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

            Nisbo thought so too

            Yeah. Nisbo also thinks anyone with dark skin in a green jersey is Mapimpi, so...

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            @NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

            @MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

            Nisbo thought so too

            Yeah. Nisbo also thinks anyone with dark skin in a green jersey is Mapimpi, so...

            @booboo Did you find the NZ commentary on Stan so you could listen to this old fart mispronounce and mislabel anyone with a darker shade of skin?

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            • canefanC canefan

              @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

              @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

              @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

              @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

              @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

              Frizzell was carded for falling over

              That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

              "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

              I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

              Which law?

              If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

              It didn’t look 100% accidental to me, at very best it was very careless, I think they gave him the benefit of the doubt on review - ie found mitigation

              Kitzhoff forearmed him in the face and he fell over didn't he? Watch it again, context is clearly optional for these officials

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              nostrildamus
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              #1921

              @canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

              @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

              @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

              @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

              @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

              @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

              Frizzell was carded for falling over

              That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

              "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

              I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

              Which law?

              If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

              It didn’t look 100% accidental to me, at very best it was very careless, I think they gave him the benefit of the doubt on review - ie found mitigation

              Kitzhoff forearmed him in the face and he fell over didn't he?

              Surely not, that would be an awful ref blunder, they' have to replay the game!
              (Just joking).

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                That final play sort of summed it up
                DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

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                #1922

                @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                That final play sort of summed it up
                DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

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                • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                  @canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

                  Frizzell was carded for falling over

                  That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

                  "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

                  I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

                  Which law?

                  If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

                  It didn’t look 100% accidental to me, at very best it was very careless, I think they gave him the benefit of the doubt on review - ie found mitigation

                  Kitzhoff forearmed him in the face and he fell over didn't he?

                  Surely not, that would be an awful ref blunder, they' have to replay the game!
                  (Just joking).

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                  #1923

                  @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                  @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

                  Frizzell was carded for falling over

                  That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

                  "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

                  I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

                  Which law?

                  If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

                  It didn’t look 100% accidental to me, at very best it was very careless, I think they gave him the benefit of the doubt on review - ie found mitigation

                  Kitzhoff forearmed him in the face and he fell over didn't he?

                  Surely not, that would be an awful ref blunder, they' have to replay the game!
                  (Just joking).

                  Jurgen Klopp in disguise 🥸

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                  • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                    @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                    @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                    @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                    That final play sort of summed it up
                    DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                    I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                    No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                    If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

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                    #1924

                    @ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                    @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                    @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                    @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                    That final play sort of summed it up
                    DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                    I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                    No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                    If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

                    Beaudy was pretty awful, under the high ball, kicking, decisions etc. I would have put DMac back there at half time

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                    • M Machpants

                      @Gunner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                      he penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.

                      Yeah this is the only reffing thing that really annoys me

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                      @Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                      @Gunner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                      he penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.

                      Yeah this is the only reffing thing that really annoys me

                      Yeah agree, that's the winning of the game and it was a mistake (no malice he just fucked up like all humans do on occasion) - why can't Barnes just say "I fucked up, lets have a Bok scrum here as a restart"?

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                        #1926

                        ok time to flush the dunny, thank the old timers for their splendid service, and move on.
                        And congrats again to the Boks for winning a point in a row 3 times. Talk about dedication to the mission.

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                          @Tordah said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                          Basically up until the red card, I thought Springboks win it easy, they were by far the better team, because they tackled the ABs backwards, won the kicking duel. Ever since the RC, I thought ABs had the upper hand. Very exciting game, though the quality was a bit shit, I guess

                          Defence wins RWCs. The Boks take a 5 point advantage into every match simply due to the way they defend. No other team does the blitz D quite like them.

                          As sorry as I feel for Cane as I like him immensely as a person, how can you lose your discipline in a final like that. A yellow is bad enough and can cost you the final, a red is unacceptable.

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                          @akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                          Defence wins RWCs

                          If that was the case we should have won. They couldn't score a try against us and essentially won the game on a non penalty. 🙂

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                          • M Machpants

                            @ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                            @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                            @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                            @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                            That final play sort of summed it up
                            DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                            I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                            No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                            If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

                            Beaudy was pretty awful, under the high ball, kicking, decisions etc. I would have put DMac back there at half time

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                            #1928

                            @Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                            @ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                            @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                            @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                            @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                            That final play sort of summed it up
                            DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                            I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                            No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                            If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

                            Beaudy was pretty awful, under the high ball, kicking, decisions etc. I would have put DMac back there at half time

                            He just went to pieces didn't he? We were lucky he didn't take us out of the running altogether

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                              Cane fronted up at the press anyway despite being gutted. Good man.

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                              • M Machpants

                                @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

                                Frizzell was carded for falling over

                                That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

                                "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

                                I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

                                Which law?

                                If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

                                20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law

                                Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
                                A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul.
                                A player must not make contact with an opponent above the line of the shoulders.
                                A player must not intentionally collapse a ruck or a maul.
                                A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.

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                                @Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

                                Frizzell was carded for falling over

                                That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

                                "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

                                I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

                                Which law?

                                If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

                                20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law

                                Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.

                                A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.

                                "Target" is the operative word.

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                                • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                  @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                  @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                  @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                  That final play sort of summed it up
                                  DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                                  I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                                  No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                                  If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

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                                  @ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                  @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                  @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                  @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                  That final play sort of summed it up
                                  DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                                  I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                                  No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                                  If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

                                  They have hardly used him at all ,

                                  In the previous games I assumed the thinking is , we are ahead and we aren’t crying out for what he brings,

                                  This game was a different set of circumstances, we were behind and we needed a spark

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                                  • canefanC canefan

                                    @Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    That final play sort of summed it up
                                    DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                                    I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                                    No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                                    If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

                                    Beaudy was pretty awful, under the high ball, kicking, decisions etc. I would have put DMac back there at half time

                                    He just went to pieces didn't he? We were lucky he didn't take us out of the running altogether

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                                    @canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    @Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                    That final play sort of summed it up
                                    DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                                    I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                                    No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                                    If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

                                    Beaudy was pretty awful, under the high ball, kicking, decisions etc. I would have put DMac back there at half time

                                    He just went to pieces didn't he? We were lucky he didn't take us out of the running altogether

                                    Only Player ever to score tries in two rwc finals

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                                      @Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                      @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                      @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                      @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                      @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

                                      Frizzell was carded for falling over

                                      That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

                                      "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

                                      I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

                                      Which law?

                                      If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

                                      20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law

                                      Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.

                                      A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.

                                      "Target" is the operative word.

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                                      @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                      @Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                      @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                      @Dodge said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                      @Chris-B said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                      @mariner4life said in [RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks]

                                      Frizzell was carded for falling over

                                      That's the one we were really dudded on, I think.

                                      "A rugby collision", O'Keefe said - and that's basically what this was. They said as much when they didn't upgrade it. And handed the Boks the early momentum.

                                      I didn’t know the law / focus area of not allowing people to fall on exposed knees etc - ITV had the Irish ref on call who immediately called it as an issue, Barnes then reffed it exactly as he said he should. He was actually concerned it would be red. The fact we didn’t know about it doesn’t mean it wasn’t reffed correctly

                                      Which law?

                                      If he'd done it intentionally, it would have been red. Accidentally falling on someone is an accident.

                                      20d, and intentionally is not mentioned in that law

                                      Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.

                                      A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs.

                                      "Target" is the operative word.

                                      very good point SF wasn't even looking at the legs.

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                                        SA worthy winners but this great tournament deserved a better finish

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                                        • TordahT Tordah

                                          @canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          That final play sort of summed it up
                                          DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                                          I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                                          No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                                          If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

                                          Beaudy was pretty awful, under the high ball, kicking, decisions etc. I would have put DMac back there at half time

                                          He just went to pieces didn't he? We were lucky he didn't take us out of the running altogether

                                          Only Player ever to score tries in two rwc finals

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                                          @Tordah said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          @mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:

                                          That final play sort of summed it up
                                          DMac somehow breaks the field open. Savea (who was exhausted) wasn't clean, and nor was ALB.

                                          I may be alone on this but I would have played DMac a lot earlier.

                                          No, it was clear that the game was crying out for his skill set

                                          If I was to be super critical of the coaches, there was a window with 10 or 11 minutes to go where I thought DMac on for Barrett and the game might open up for us. In hindsight and with the 2nd Boks YC, it probably would’ve.

                                          Beaudy was pretty awful, under the high ball, kicking, decisions etc. I would have put DMac back there at half time

                                          He just went to pieces didn't he? We were lucky he didn't take us out of the running altogether

                                          Only Player ever to score tries in two rwc finals

                                          A Foster first then. He coached the only player to score in two RWC finals 😀

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