RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Have another look at Kolisi - link below. Pay attention to Savea's head. He came charging in to a player dropping from a jump, and smokes him in the head.
There's as much mitigation as Cane in a dynamic tackle. For me, both yellow, or both red. Hell, week to week you'd like it reffed the same (I know, wishful thinking)
Both are cards, no doubt, but I know which tackle I would rather have been on the receiving end of. That said, I am in favour of a 20 min red.
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
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@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
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@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
so, the mitigation is your personal preference to be on the end of one over the other...? That's pretty comical pal.
They're both clear reds under the current laws. Kolisi comes flying into the line and recklessly makes significant head-on-head contact.
It's just a red mate, give it up.
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In week 1, England v Argentina, the same tackle as kolisi's was a red
Now, I didn't think that was a red, and I don't think this should have been either (nor canes)
But it's easy to see why kiwi fans might be just a little mystified
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Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Don't embarass yourself anymore than you already have
It's grainy but regardless of where his arms and shoulders are, SK hits Ardie head to face. No intent, not foul play, but that's a RC to me because of that impact
I'm not embarrassed at all. I would rather cop a tackle to the body with simultaneous head to head contact, rather than a flying shoulder to the face. This is why the one was yellow and the other was red. If you cannot see that, you are blinded by your bias.
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Don't embarass yourself anymore than you already have
It's grainy but regardless of where his arms and shoulders are, SK hits Ardie head to face. No intent, not foul play, but that's a RC to me because of that impact
I'm not embarrassed at all. I would rather cop a tackle to the body with simultaneous head to head contact, rather than a flying shoulder to the face. This is why the one was yellow and the other was red. If you cannot see that, you are blinded by your bias.
You aren't talking to a bunch of scrubs on FB. I see similar levels of danger, in slightly different situations. Portia Woodman got hit in a head to head tackle in the women's final and the English girl got a straight red. Is there a difference because Ardie didn't fall down and Portia did? Head to head contact is exactly that either way.
And even after all that we had chances to win and I've already said we made to many errors and didn't kick our goals
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Don't embarass yourself anymore than you already have
It's grainy but regardless of where his arms and shoulders are, SK hits Ardie head to face. No intent, not foul play, but that's a RC to me because of that impact
I'm not embarrassed at all. I would rather cop a tackle to the body with simultaneous head to head contact, rather than a flying shoulder to the face. This is why the one was yellow and the other was red. If you cannot see that, you are blinded by your bias.
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Don't embarass yourself anymore than you already have
It's grainy but regardless of where his arms and shoulders are, SK hits Ardie head to face. No intent, not foul play, but that's a RC to me because of that impact
I'm not embarrassed at all. I would rather cop a tackle to the body with simultaneous head to head contact, rather than a flying shoulder to the face. This is why the one was yellow and the other was red. If you cannot see that, you are blinded by your bias.
That looks like an absorbing shoulder by Cane! Keep posting, it is amusing me!
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Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
I thought SF would have come back fizzing and ripped in. I barely noticed him. Disappointing from a guy we all identified as key to our chances. Too gunshy on a yellow?
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
I thought SF would have come back fizzing and ripped in. I barely noticed him. Disappointing from a guy we all identified as key to our chances. Too gunshy on a yellow?
@mariner4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
I thought SF would have come back fizzing and ripped in. I barely noticed him. Disappointing from a guy we all identified as key to our chances. Too gunshy on a yellow?
My thought as well, perhaps he did well in the lineout but I only noticed the locks.
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Re Cane's red, it's 100% his fault but what caused it was a brainless decision a minute earlier not to take the 3. This is a RWC final and it's a wet day, you take the 3 whenever it presents itself. They decided to go for the lineout instead, then Taylor shits the bed with his throw and the red card occurs after that.
Such a poor decision. They took the 3 against Ireland every time they were awarded a kickable penalty and that helped them win that game, why they decided not to do the same in the final is beyond me.
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@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
so, the mitigation is your personal preference to be on the end of one over the other...? That's pretty comical pal.
They're both clear reds under the current laws. Kolisi comes flying into the line and recklessly makes significant head-on-head contact.
It's just a red mate, give it up.
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
so, the mitigation is your personal preference to be on the end of one over the other...? That's pretty comical pal.
They're both clear reds under the current laws. Kolisi comes flying into the line and recklessly makes significant head-on-head contact.
It's just a red mate, give it up.
Yep, and your deranged view from your armchair is more accurate than a panel of referees - got it.
I Cannot have a rational conversation with someone who is clearly still in the first stage of grief. I give you some time - 4 years.
/grabs coat
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Considering that I still remember close losses and near misses in whatever low level sporting comps I competed in years ago, I expect this will haunt Sam for the rest of his life
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Poor guy.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Don't embarass yourself anymore than you already have
It's grainy but regardless of where his arms and shoulders are, SK hits Ardie head to face. No intent, not foul play, but that's a RC to me because of that impact
I'm not embarrassed at all. I would rather cop a tackle to the body with simultaneous head to head contact, rather than a flying shoulder to the face. This is why the one was yellow and the other was red. If you cannot see that, you are blinded by your bias.
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Get off it. The SC head tackle had no mitigation, where as Kolisi's was clearly a rugby collision. Initial impact went through SK's shoulders. This echo chamber needs some perspective.
Don't embarass yourself anymore than you already have
It's grainy but regardless of where his arms and shoulders are, SK hits Ardie head to face. No intent, not foul play, but that's a RC to me because of that impact
I'm not embarrassed at all. I would rather cop a tackle to the body with simultaneous head to head contact, rather than a flying shoulder to the face. This is why the one was yellow and the other was red. If you cannot see that, you are blinded by your bias.
Cane is at least bending as JK almost had knees on the ground. Ardie was upright and still got smoked in the face. Surprised SK didn't take a Hollywood dive after the tackle as he was calling for headshots and cards the whole time he was on the field.
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Re Cane's red, it's 100% his fault but what caused it was a brainless decision a minute earlier not to take the 3. This is a RWC final and it's a wet day, you take the 3 whenever it presents itself. They decided to go for the lineout instead, then Taylor shits the bed with his throw and the red card occurs after that.
Such a poor decision. They took the 3 against Ireland every time they were awarded a kickable penalty and that helped them win that game, why they decided not to do the same in the final is beyond me.
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Re Cane's red, it's 100% his fault but what caused it was a brainless decision a minute earlier not to take the 3. This is a RWC final and it's a wet day, you take the 3 whenever it presents itself. They decided to go for the lineout instead, then Taylor shits the bed with his throw and the red card occurs after that.
Such a poor decision as they took the 3 against Ireland every time they were awarded a kickable penalty, why they decided bot to do the same in the final is beyond me.
As good a game as he had vs Ireland, that was a bad decision
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@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
so, the mitigation is your personal preference to be on the end of one over the other...? That's pretty comical pal.
They're both clear reds under the current laws. Kolisi comes flying into the line and recklessly makes significant head-on-head contact.
It's just a red mate, give it up.
Yep, and your deranged view from your armchair is more accurate than a panel of referees - got it.
I Cannot have a rational conversation with someone who is clearly still in the first stage of grief. I give you some time - 4 years.
/grabs coat
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@PN so genuine question - what's the mitigation you see?
A bunch of people argued Kolisi was YC only, and plenty of mitigation. When I pulled that and saw it again, I really struggled to reach that conclusion. Looked red as shit to me, with no real mitigation
As above.
so, the mitigation is your personal preference to be on the end of one over the other...? That's pretty comical pal.
They're both clear reds under the current laws. Kolisi comes flying into the line and recklessly makes significant head-on-head contact.
It's just a red mate, give it up.
Yep, and your deranged view from your armchair is more accurate than a panel of referees - got it.
I Cannot have a rational conversation with someone who is clearly still in the first stage of grief. I give you some time - 4 years.
/grabs coat
I made a pretty rational assessment of the incident - rushed in, recklessly made contact with his head. Your assessment was "one might hurt more".
Poor effort mate.
Any jeez, if you really believe that we shouldn't question the ability and consistency of the blokes in the TMO seats, then you're watching a different game to the rest of us
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Re Cane's red, it's 100% his fault but what caused it was a brainless decision a minute earlier not to take the 3. This is a RWC final and it's a wet day, you take the 3 whenever it presents itself. They decided to go for the lineout instead, then Taylor shits the bed with his throw and the red card occurs after that.
Such a poor decision as they took the 3 against Ireland every time they were awarded a kickable penalty, why they decided bot to do the same in the final is beyond me.
As good a game as he had vs Ireland, that was a bad decision
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Re Cane's red, it's 100% his fault but what caused it was a brainless decision a minute earlier not to take the 3. This is a RWC final and it's a wet day, you take the 3 whenever it presents itself. They decided to go for the lineout instead, then Taylor shits the bed with his throw and the red card occurs after that.
Such a poor decision as they took the 3 against Ireland every time they were awarded a kickable penalty, why they decided bot to do the same in the final is beyond me.
As good a game as he had vs Ireland, that was a bad decision
Furry muff but one also doesn't expect to get a YC for falling to the ground which cost 3 points.
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That is just one other example that our boys weren't quite on today. Vs Ireland we kicked all our kicks, it was the Irish that chanced their arm with the touch finders. The odd lineout tricks, the splashy backline passing moves, all unnecessary against Ireland and probably should have stayed in the kit bag today
