RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@No-Quarter looking for reasons to rub out tries and send people off
@nzzp yep, it's a real negative way to look at it...and how far can they go back, cos you know go back far enough and you will find an error somewhere.
If WR care about the game, they have a number of issues to deal with.
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isnt sport fun. we kick a converstion or penalty we probarly win , and would have been talked about as a great win against the odds. but we didnt and everyone bias get runout to display.
@ploughboy just kinda sums up where the game is at right now, that more often than not, the reffing team has a say in the outcome.
I'd also say, had we pulled off an unlikely win we'd still be talking about many of those moments in this game where the ref team made contentious decisions.
Boks won, we lost, that's the easy part to swallow compared to where the game is at IMO.
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Did the All Blacks do some things wrong? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that we can't legitimately say the 50/50s didn't go our way. I'm not sure the Boks were necessarily that much better, but the day belonged to them, and they got the rub of the green. There's no conspiracy to it, it was just how things fell.
On another day Kolisi gets a red, Frizell doesn't even get penalised, we get a free kick at the end etc. That's rugby at the top level, it just so happened that there were many incidents in that game, which was an abomination. It wasn't a good game, it was a close game which made it tense. The two big quarter-finals are what the game should strive for... could be wrong, but I don't know if there was a singly 10+ phase movement in that game.
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@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
And speaking of tackles, de Groot gets a forearm to the nose and it's just "a glancing blow". Play on.
And despite it all, we still could have won if we'd kicked our kicks or set up a DG on one of two occasions.
we just couldn't get into position for a DG though could we - they defended well in that final stretch and we were rooted
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@canefan said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
And speaking of tackles, de Groot gets a forearm to the nose and it's just "a glancing blow". Play on.
And despite it all, we still could have won if we'd kicked our kicks or set up a DG on one of two occasions.
we just couldn't get into position for a DG though could we - they defended well in that final stretch and we were rooted
I don’t think we can be critical of them not setting for a DG. We made a move that went about 30 odd metres and after ALB didn’t take the Ardie offload, we had no prior.
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Congratulations South Africa, immense game and a win for the ages.
Also a loss for one and I shed a few tears.
After SC’s red I had a lot of mates saying we were done, game over, but I had a strong feeling it would galvanize us and we would win.
Well I was wrong but kind of right.
Apart from the decisions to turn down points and missed kicks what killed us was the 50/50’s, our timing was out by a split second all game, difficult conditions.
We won against Ireland by a) taking the points on offer (and they lost by kicking to the corner) and b) not throwing 50/50’s. Not sure why we were still trying that touch rugby at the beach shit late into the 4th quarter.
Tl;dr this one hurts more than most.
Barnes, TMO, 14, 13, 12 men we are expected to and actually could of and should have won but didn’t play percentage footy like we did against Ireland.
C’est la vie, we’ll be back.
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Boks are pretty mediocre team. Certainly not in top two in world, maybe not in top three.
Result is like a sporting quiz oddity.
I’d like Foz to come out and say that he thought we were a notch ahead of them tonight, but sport is an odd thing and sometime the lesser team ends up with its name on the trophy.
Fucking well played ABs. Bloody proud of you.
I’m not sure how you can say this about a team that has won three incredibly tight games in a row
I was here and their shortcoming were very apparent. If the French game had been reffed properly they would have lost it, and they were hugely assisted tonight by official rulings and still only finished a point ahead.
So, for me, just a sporting aberration.
That’s what makes the game so beguiling.
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Boks are pretty mediocre team. Certainly not in top two in world, maybe not in top three.
Result is like a sporting quiz oddity.
I’d like Foz to come out and say that he thought we were a notch ahead of them tonight, but sport is an odd thing and sometime the lesser team ends up with its name on the trophy.
Fucking well played ABs. Bloody proud of you.
I’m not sure how you can say this about a team that has won three incredibly tight games in a row
I was here and their shortcoming were very apparent. If the French game had been reffed properly they would have lost it, and they were hugely assisted tonight by official rulings and still only finished a point ahead.
So, for me, just a sporting aberration.
That’s what makes the game so beguiling.
…..and if the ABs had kicked better, Cane had tackled better and whatever else they might have won it.
This post comes across ever so slightly like sour grapes you’d expect on FB
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Did the All Blacks do some things wrong? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that we can't legitimately say the 50/50s didn't go our way. I'm not sure the Boks were necessarily that much better, but the day belonged to them, and they got the rub of the green. There's no conspiracy to it, it was just how things fell.
On another day Kolisi gets a red, Frizell doesn't even get penalised, we get a free kick at the end etc. That's rugby at the top level, it just so happened that there were many incidents in that game, which was an abomination. It wasn't a good game, it was a close game which made it tense. The two big quarter-finals are what the game should strive for... could be wrong, but I don't know if there was a singly 10+ phase movement in that game.
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@frugby yep, it's a game of inches and seconds, and the Boks made the inches and ate the seconds.
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@frugby yep, it's a game of inches and seconds, and the Boks made the inches and ate the seconds.
Leave Fozzie out of this
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
While I question the accuracy of tackles/missed tackles, the use a consistent method: https://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/playerstats?gameId=596201&league=164205
Frizell had 1 tackle and 1 missed tackle.
Taylor/Scottie/Ardie were the only players in double figures and Jordan/Cane made 8 each. The team made 93 out of 106 tackles of which 47 (50% of successful tackles) were made by the 5 players just mentioned.
@PecoTrain said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Does someone have stats? I read a report Shannon made 1 tackle in 55 minutes, surely that is in error. If Akira played like that this Forum would have imploded. And I say this as someone who thought SF played himself back into the team this year.
While I question the accuracy of tackles/missed tackles, the use a consistent method: https://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/playerstats?gameId=596201&league=164205
Frizell had 1 tackle and 1 missed tackle.
Taylor/Scottie/Ardie were the only players in double figures and Jordan/Cane made 8 each. The team made 93 out of 106 tackles of which 47 (50% of successful tackles) were made by the 5 players just mentioned.
The fact there were so few tackles speaks to the way the game was played... don't forget also, Frizell only played about 40 minutes (obviously you'd expect more than one tackle though).
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Ardie was a machine but there was absolutely no need to offload to ALB in the 79th minute, that was a risky pass. He had to hold on to the ball. A few more phases could have seen us snatch it. Those are the big moments where composure and patience is needed, and unfortunately he didn't show it then.
A game of what ifs unfortunately and also a game where they generally showed a lot of discipline, heart and composure after the red card, but there were just a few moments where they could have been better. So gutted.
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I’ve had a wee sleep so maybe I can achieve a bit of perspective.
Huge effort from the players to keep it so close and so nearly take it after going down to 14 men. I thought the maul defence and scrums were especially strong. Proud.
It’s a game of inches and it came down to goal kicking, poor handling and not thinking clearly under pressure. All that points to less than perfect preparation. I can’t help thinking if Razor had been appointed AB coach, last night would have finished with him breakdancing on the wet Parisian turf. At least we have a chance now to rebuild under such an inspirational, meticulous and visionary coach.
The game is not managing video technology well and has made it baffling. It’s not great entertainment to watch four guys argue among themselves and then make a decision they struggle to defend. The game needs to speed up again before 2027.
Bottom line, South Africa and their defence were immense. The start was always going to be crucial and they negated us there. They were ferocious throughout and made it really hard for the ABs to settle into any rhythm. I don’t think there is anyone it means more to. Congratulations, South Africa!
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I’m blaming razor for this loss. The crusaders won the final for the last seven years, so none of the fluffy bunny chiefs knew how to win the close games.
Foster can finally piss off , Sam Cane has played his last ever All blacks game. Bring on 2024 and can’t wait to have more crusaders players involved in the ABs. -
I’m blaming razor for this loss. The crusaders won the final for the last seven years, so none of the fluffy bunny chiefs knew how to win the close games.
Foster can finally piss off , Sam Cane has played his last ever All blacks game. Bring on 2024 and can’t wait to have more crusaders players involved in the ABs.@chchfanatic said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I’m blaming razor for this loss. The crusaders won the final for the last seven years, so none of the fluffy bunny chiefs knew how to win the close games.
Foster can finally piss off , Sam Cane has played his last ever All blacks game. Bring on 2024 and can’t wait to have more crusaders players involved in the ABs.@Tim do you have two accounts on here ?
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@chchfanatic said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I’m blaming razor for this loss. The crusaders won the final for the last seven years, so none of the fluffy bunny chiefs knew how to win the close games.
Foster can finally piss off , Sam Cane has played his last ever All blacks game. Bring on 2024 and can’t wait to have more crusaders players involved in the ABs.@Tim do you have two accounts on here ?
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@chchfanatic said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I’m blaming razor for this loss. The crusaders won the final for the last seven years, so none of the fluffy bunny chiefs knew how to win the close games.
Foster can finally piss off , Sam Cane has played his last ever All blacks game. Bring on 2024 and can’t wait to have more crusaders players involved in the ABs.@Tim do you have two accounts on here ?
When would Tim want more Crusaders in the team?
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@chchfanatic said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I’m blaming razor for this loss. The crusaders won the final for the last seven years, so none of the fluffy bunny chiefs knew how to win the close games.
Foster can finally piss off , Sam Cane has played his last ever All blacks game. Bring on 2024 and can’t wait to have more crusaders players involved in the ABs.@Tim do you have two accounts on here ?
When would Tim want more Crusaders in the team?
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@chchfanatic said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I’m blaming razor for this loss. The crusaders won the final for the last seven years, so none of the fluffy bunny chiefs knew how to win the close games.
Foster can finally piss off , Sam Cane has played his last ever All blacks game. Bring on 2024 and can’t wait to have more crusaders players involved in the ABs.@Tim do you have two accounts on here ?
When would Tim want more Crusaders in the team?
He would if it meant less Sam Cane. Worst All Black ever so they say.
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@chchfanatic said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I’m blaming razor for this loss. The crusaders won the final for the last seven years, so none of the fluffy bunny chiefs knew how to win the close games.
Foster can finally piss off , Sam Cane has played his last ever All blacks game. Bring on 2024 and can’t wait to have more crusaders players involved in the ABs.@Tim do you have two accounts on here ?
When would Tim want more Crusaders in the team?
He would if it meant less Sam Cane. Worst All Black ever so they say.
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
When would Tim want more Crusaders in the team?
He would if it meant less Sam Cane. Worst All Black ever so they say.
Oh he isn't a fan of Sam Cane? Apart from 10 posts every AB game where he mentions it, I hadn't noticed.
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
When would Tim want more Crusaders in the team?
He would if it meant less Sam Cane. Worst All Black ever so they say.
Oh he isn't a fan of Sam Cane? Apart from 10 posts every AB game where he mentions it, I hadn't noticed.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
When would Tim want more Crusaders in the team?
He would if it meant less Sam Cane. Worst All Black ever so they say.
Oh he isn't a fan of Sam Cane? Apart from 10 posts every AB game where he mentions it, I hadn't noticed.
There an award for that later
