RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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I have been a member of this forum for more than two decades. It's been fun and a privilege and I have had the fortune to meet a couple of the Ferners in person over the years and have formed friendships with one or two that have transcended rugby.
So please indulge me when when I am say I am absolutely stoked with the Bok victory.
It's not crowing - it is relief, happiness, joy.
It's been a tough RWC for me personally to follow. 2019 was an unexpected joy - one that came from low expectations. 2023 had high expectations which I realized as a result made it so much tougher to follow.A one point victory over an excellent French side in the QF set the tone.
Another 1 pointer against an inspired England who played way above anyone's expectations was just crazy.Then the privilege of facing the "Old Foe" again in a final again for the first time since 1995 was the dream set up finale. I could have swallowed a result either way. Both teams had originally been drawn in so-called pools of death and their chances were rated below France and Ireland. Both had shown their mettle and made it to the end.
And on the day many factors, for and against both sides added to the drama of the encounter.
Mbonambi getting injured in the 2nd minute of the game severely undermined the Bok plan. Less power in the scrums, less accuracy at lineouts. A coaching gamble that almost backfired at the last minute.
A red card for Sam Cane reducing the AB's to a man down for 50+ minutes of the match.
(A separate thread is needed at some time - again - about red cards).
And I take my hat off to the AB's. That 2nd half you wouldn't think they had been playing with a man down all that time.
Tiny margins, marginal calls... it could all have been different on the day.As I said up front, I am super happy as a Bok fan.
Equally, I salute the team that at least for me always, is the yardstick I measure the Bok performance by.See you in the 2027 final again hopefully!
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I have been a member of this forum for more than two decades. It's been fun and a privilege and I have had the fortune to meet a couple of the Ferners in person over the years and have formed friendships with one or two that have transcended rugby.
So please indulge me when when I am say I am absolutely stoked with the Bok victory.
It's not crowing - it is relief, happiness, joy.
It's been a tough RWC for me personally to follow. 2019 was an unexpected joy - one that came from low expectations. 2023 had high expectations which I realized as a result made it so much tougher to follow.A one point victory over an excellent French side in the QF set the tone.
Another 1 pointer against an inspired England who played way above anyone's expectations was just crazy.Then the privilege of facing the "Old Foe" again in a final again for the first time since 1995 was the dream set up finale. I could have swallowed a result either way. Both teams had originally been drawn in so-called pools of death and their chances were rated below France and Ireland. Both had shown their mettle and made it to the end.
And on the day many factors, for and against both sides added to the drama of the encounter.
Mbonambi getting injured in the 2nd minute of the game severely undermined the Bok plan. Less power in the scrums, less accuracy at lineouts. A coaching gamble that almost backfired at the last minute.
A red card for Sam Cane reducing the AB's to a man down for 50+ minutes of the match.
(A separate thread is needed at some time - again - about red cards).
And I take my hat off to the AB's. That 2nd half you wouldn't think they had been playing with a man down all that time.
Tiny margins, marginal calls... it could all have been different on the day.As I said up front, I am super happy as a Bok fan.
Equally, I salute the team that at least for me always, is the yardstick I measure the Bok performance by.See you in the 2027 final again hopefully!
@Billy-Webb said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I have been a member of this forum for more than two decades. It's been fun and a privilege and I have had the fortune to meet a couple of the Ferners in person over the years and have formed friendships with one or two that have transcended rugby.
So please indulge me when when I am say I am absolutely stoked with the Bok victory.
It's not crowing - it is relief, happiness, joy.
It's been a tough RWC for me personally to follow. 2019 was an unexpected joy - one that came from low expectations. 2023 had high expectations which I realized as a result made it so much tougher to follow.A one point victory over an excellent French side in the QF set the tone.
Another 1 pointer against an inspired England who played way above anyone's expectations was just crazy.Then the privilege of facing the "Old Foe" again in a final again for the first time since 1995 was the dream set up finale. I could have swallowed a result either way. Both teams had originally been drawn in so-called pools of death and their chances were rated below France and Ireland. Both had shown their mettle and made it to the end.
And on the day many factors, for and against both sides added to the drama of the encounter.
Mbonambi getting injured in the 2nd minute of the game severely undermined the Bok plan. Less power in the scrums, less accuracy at lineouts. A coaching gamble that almost backfired at the last minute.
A red card for Sam Cane reducing the AB's to a man down for 50+ minutes of the match.
(A separate thread is needed at some time - again - about red cards).
And I take my hat off to the AB's. That 2nd half you wouldn't think they had been playing with a man down all that time.
Tiny margins, marginal calls... it could all have been different on the day.As I said up front, I am super happy as a Bok fan.
Equally, I salute the team that at least for me always, is the yardstick I measure the Bok performance by.See you in the 2027 final again hopefully!
enjoy your win we will see you in four years time
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I have been a member of this forum for more than two decades. It's been fun and a privilege and I have had the fortune to meet a couple of the Ferners in person over the years and have formed friendships with one or two that have transcended rugby.
So please indulge me when when I am say I am absolutely stoked with the Bok victory.
It's not crowing - it is relief, happiness, joy.
It's been a tough RWC for me personally to follow. 2019 was an unexpected joy - one that came from low expectations. 2023 had high expectations which I realized as a result made it so much tougher to follow.A one point victory over an excellent French side in the QF set the tone.
Another 1 pointer against an inspired England who played way above anyone's expectations was just crazy.Then the privilege of facing the "Old Foe" again in a final again for the first time since 1995 was the dream set up finale. I could have swallowed a result either way. Both teams had originally been drawn in so-called pools of death and their chances were rated below France and Ireland. Both had shown their mettle and made it to the end.
And on the day many factors, for and against both sides added to the drama of the encounter.
Mbonambi getting injured in the 2nd minute of the game severely undermined the Bok plan. Less power in the scrums, less accuracy at lineouts. A coaching gamble that almost backfired at the last minute.
A red card for Sam Cane reducing the AB's to a man down for 50+ minutes of the match.
(A separate thread is needed at some time - again - about red cards).
And I take my hat off to the AB's. That 2nd half you wouldn't think they had been playing with a man down all that time.
Tiny margins, marginal calls... it could all have been different on the day.As I said up front, I am super happy as a Bok fan.
Equally, I salute the team that at least for me always, is the yardstick I measure the Bok performance by.See you in the 2027 final again hopefully!
@Billy-Webb and you should absolutely soak it up, that's sport.
Sure big games that will always have moments of what ifs and maybes particularly for the losing side, but at the end of the day, it says "2023 South Africa"
Sport is cruel.
Soak it in.
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@akan004 given he did, have to assume he can.
But it highlights a bigger issue that he only rules on a knock on if it results in a try...ignoring other errors.
@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 given he did, have to assume he can.
But it highlights a bigger issue that he only rules on a knock on if it results in a try...ignoring other errors.
Ardie being falsely penalised early in the game that resulted in 3 points an example , it was there on the screen , and Barnes apologised to ardie for getting it wrong .
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I think I’ll take a bit of a break from rugby for a while.
It was quite shit to fly around the world for a game that was essentially over in the first half. I think rugby hates itself.
Having said that, of course I know that it was the execution by our players that landed them in those situations. It’s a fast game and sadly that’s rugby.
Full congratulations to the SA posters. One thing which has made me enjoy today has been the 100% positive interactions with SA fans, all of them expressing support for us losing a man for so long, or congratulating the huge effort to get in touch and potentially win the thing. They were relieved and just wanted to talk rugby. It was a real pleasure to talk with those people today around Paris.
However, I can say that unless rugby changes a few things, I’ll never make the huge investment in going to this game ever again. At the game, it was clear to see the huge impact it had on the team playing with 14, and I’m immensely proud of the effort to get so close. They were completely fucked, what a fucking effort by the forwards. It was a shame we didn’t have McKenzie on earlier - he gave their defense kittens with his passing and running threat.
I’m not going to bother with anything else about the game, it’s done and in the history books.
Congratulations SA. It’s a great team with a bunch of players I’d happily have in black shirts.
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I think I’ll take a bit of a break from rugby for a while.
It was quite shit to fly around the world for a game that was essentially over in the first half. I think rugby hates itself.
Having said that, of course I know that it was the execution by our players that landed them in those situations. It’s a fast game and sadly that’s rugby.
Full congratulations to the SA posters. One thing which has made me enjoy today has been the 100% positive interactions with SA fans, all of them expressing support for us losing a man for so long, or congratulating the huge effort to get in touch and potentially win the thing. They were relieved and just wanted to talk rugby. It was a real pleasure to talk with those people today around Paris.
However, I can say that unless rugby changes a few things, I’ll never make the huge investment in going to this game ever again. At the game, it was clear to see the huge impact it had on the team playing with 14, and I’m immensely proud of the effort to get so close. They were completely fucked, what a fucking effort by the forwards. It was a shame we didn’t have McKenzie on earlier - he gave their defense kittens with his passing and running threat.
I’m not going to bother with anything else about the game, it’s done and in the history books.
Congratulations SA. It’s a great team with a bunch of players I’d happily have in black shirts.
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I think I’ll take a bit of a break from rugby for a while.
It was quite shit to fly around the world for a game that was essentially over in the first half. I think rugby hates itself.
Having said that, of course I know that it was the execution by our players that landed them in those situations. It’s a fast game and sadly that’s rugby.
Full congratulations to the SA posters. One thing which has made me enjoy today has been the 100% positive interactions with SA fans, all of them expressing support for us losing a man for so long, or congratulating the huge effort to get in touch and potentially win the thing. They were relieved and just wanted to talk rugby. It was a real pleasure to talk with those people today around Paris.
However, I can say that unless rugby changes a few things, I’ll never make the huge investment in going to this game ever again. At the game, it was clear to see the huge impact it had on the team playing with 14, and I’m immensely proud of the effort to get so close. They were completely fucked, what a fucking effort by the forwards. It was a shame we didn’t have McKenzie on earlier - he gave their defense kittens with his passing and running threat.
I’m not going to bother with anything else about the game, it’s done and in the history books.
Congratulations SA. It’s a great team with a bunch of players I’d happily have in black shirts.
@gt12 totally get how you are feeling,
My way of coping with the disappointments of the earlier world cups was to start following a few other sports and a few other teams , spread it around a bit , so all your sporting eggs aren’t in the same basket .
It’s worked for me .
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Rugby could have had 20-minute red cards but the NH voted against it.
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@gt12 I wrote us off at half time too but it was far from over as it played out. Poor goalkicking and a lack of rugby smarts cost us the win in the 2nd half. A very winnable game even with only 14 men.
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@gt12 I wrote us off at half time too but it was far from over as it played out. Poor goalkicking and a lack of rugby smarts cost us the win in the 2nd half. A very winnable game even with only 14 men.
I thought we dropped a huge amount of ball as well, and we don't seem to be talking about it. It was one of the keys to losing - drop ball, missed kicks, TMO/discipline (choose your poison) and arguably lack of rugby nous.
When Mbonambi went off, I thought we should be kicking for lineouts and putting pressure. If that starts disintegrating, you create space in the middle of the field.
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Cane having no mitigation reminded me of Ta'avao having no mitigation vs Porter's "absorbing" tackle - which broke Retallick's cheek-bone and decided the Irish series. A change in direction of the player with the ball which catches the tackler off guard without time to adjust down for some reason isn't seen as mitigation. Whereas Kolisi, lining up Ardie from in front and deciding to go high does have mitigation?
The way these are ruled is just totally beyond me.
Etzebeth's yellow for front on head on head in the England game. If Cane is red that is red surely? These decisions go two different ways, and decide two knockout games, and as far as I can tell they are just total fucking bullshit.
This post isn't about the result of the final, which we didn't deserve to win. It probably fits better in the 'state of the game' thread - but I hope supporters of all countries can agree we are sick to fucking death of shit card rulings ruining games and something needs to be done. -
I know no one wants to hear this at this point, but Barnes and his team had a really good game. Couple of decisions could have gone either way as always, I think the Kolisi one should have been red but it hasn’t been since the first week of the tournament so I wasn’t surprised.
Thought Barnes managed the game and his team of officials brilliantly actually, the contrast of his calm under pressure with last night was stark.
@Dodge This is a wind up surely? It wasn't just the cards. He ignored SA high shots, admitted he got the Ardie penalty wrong but gave them 3 points anyway, let them away with murder at the ruck, ignored their knock ons and forward passes.
RIP rugby, that was a great advertisement for NRL or almost any other sport. Just gutting that the biggest match on the world stage gets decided by officials
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An impressive effort from the Bok defenders to say the least.
https://twitter.com/jaredwright17/status/1718631367590715663
@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
An impressive effort from the Bok defenders to say the least.
https://twitter.com/jaredwright17/status/1718631367590715663
Jordie will be having nightmares about big, tall blond South Africans.
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Gunner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
he penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.
Yeah this is the only reffing thing that really annoys me
Yeah agree, that's the winning of the game and it was a mistake (no malice he just fucked up like all humans do on occasion) - why can't Barnes just say "I fucked up, lets have a Bok scrum here as a restart"?
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Gunner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
he penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.
Yeah this is the only reffing thing that really annoys me
Yeah agree, that's the winning of the game and it was a mistake (no malice he just fucked up like all humans do on occasion) - why can't Barnes just say "I fucked up, lets have a Bok scrum here as a restart"?
Why not actually change to the correct decision?
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@gt12 I wrote us off at half time too but it was far from over as it played out. Poor goalkicking and a lack of rugby smarts cost us the win in the 2nd half. A very winnable game even with only 14 men.
I thought we dropped a huge amount of ball as well, and we don't seem to be talking about it. It was one of the keys to losing - drop ball, missed kicks, TMO/discipline (choose your poison) and arguably lack of rugby nous.
When Mbonambi went off, I thought we should be kicking for lineouts and putting pressure. If that starts disintegrating, you create space in the middle of the field.
@nzzp yep, especially in that final quarter we blew several chances with pushed passes and then when they were taking pop shots for a DG, we kept kicking it back to them, instead of to touch to harass their lineout.
We made alot of poor decisions, that game was there for the taking despite the cards, but we failed to take the chances, I reckon if we had picked up some more points, the game may well have opened up with SA chancing thier arm too cos they also blew a couple of chances with ball in hand.
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@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Gunner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
he penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.
Yeah this is the only reffing thing that really annoys me
Yeah agree, that's the winning of the game and it was a mistake (no malice he just fucked up like all humans do on occasion) - why can't Barnes just say "I fucked up, lets have a Bok scrum here as a restart"?
Why not actually change to the correct decision?
@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Gunner said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
he penalty which Barnes then said sorry, that wasn’t actually a penalty. That 3 points made a difference. The TMO gets involved and changes calls all the time, so why can’t a ref change his call in this instance, when he’s clearly fucked up.
Yeah this is the only reffing thing that really annoys me
Yeah agree, that's the winning of the game and it was a mistake (no malice he just fucked up like all humans do on occasion) - why can't Barnes just say "I fucked up, lets have a Bok scrum here as a restart"?
Why not actually change to the correct decision?
given they can call back a knock on after the fact...why didnt the TMO intervene and say 'Wayne you got that wrong, overturn penalty, NZ Scrum" it is a very shitty line WR have allowed the TMO to go down, both instances go to what BArnes saw in real time, and he made a call, unless its foul play, he made a call, live with it.
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Cane said he was surprised the Bok moved/swerved back into him. I'd agree but still a clumsy tackle.
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Cane said he was surprised the Bok moved/swerved back into him. I'd agree but still a clumsy tackle.
A sudden dip and late change of direction?
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I don't blame Barnes but the TMO. Very one-sided
