RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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The TMO ended up being the most influential person on the pitch.
Unfortunately our poor discipline cost us in the big show, I've never seen an AB team struggle as much to keep 15 players on the field for 80 minutes like this current team does. Yes the rules have changed but we are the worst/most carded professional team in the top ranks.
Despite everything we had 2 chances to win and didn't take either. Feel sorry for RM and JB who will probably be replaying those kicks in their minds for a long, long time to come.
While it was a brave effort it was self inflicted adversity that cost us.
Kinda sums up Fozzies reign nicely, played stupidly, almost had enough talent to pull it off, created enough changes to win and didn't take them.
So close...
@Windows97 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The TMO ended up being the most influential person on the pitch.
Unfortunately our poor discipline cost us in the big show, I've never seen an AB team struggle as much to keep 15 players on the field for 80 minutes like this current team does. Yes the rules have changed but we are the worst/most carded professional team in the top ranks.
Despite everything we had 2 chances to win and didn't take either. Feel sorry for RM and JB who will probably be replaying those kicks in their minds for a long, long time to come.
While it was a brave effort it was self inflicted adversity that cost us.
Kinda sums up Fozzies reign nicely, played stupidly, almost had enough talent to pull it off, created enough changes to win and didn't take them.
So close...
yep in reflection, i think this sums it up. I actually think the coaches and the team was good enough to win the final so well done to them for achieving that.
Did we execute all our chances on the big stage, no.
We can continue to complain about certain things that always happen in tight games, who gets pinged for what and why? but it doesn't change the outcome. The guys on the field could have only done that and had chances to do so. RM and JB especially as you say.
In contact sport and ever changing rules and interpretations, you have to adjust and I still don't think we have done that well done enough as others have as well and that is something that the coaching staff have to take on themselves as well.
To be clear though, I think that team was still good enough to beat the boks even with 14. We didn't take our chances and the better team led by a one man machine in Pieter-Steph du Toit held on.
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WRT Barnes admitting fault, I found this take from the North Harbour refs coordinator interesting:
https://twitter.com/NewYorkNixon/status/1718437362341126504?s=20
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WRT Barnes admitting fault, I found this take from the North Harbour refs coordinator interesting:
https://twitter.com/NewYorkNixon/status/1718437362341126504?s=20
@NTA said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
WRT Barnes admitting fault, I found this take from the North Harbour refs coordinator interesting:
https://twitter.com/NewYorkNixon/status/1718437362341126504?s=20
I fail to understand how it helps retain credibility? Changing the decision would have helped retain credibility. Edit: Wrote this when I could only see the bottom tweet and not the top tweet.
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Now World Rugby reviewing whether or not Kolisi yellow updated to red. If so, match replayed.
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Now World Rugby reviewing whether or not Kolisi yellow updated to red. If so, match replayed.
Hang on, you are joking, right?
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Cane said he was surprised the Bok moved/swerved back into him. I'd agree but still a clumsy tackle.
A sudden dip and late change of direction?
@booboo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Cane said he was surprised the Bok moved/swerved back into him. I'd agree but still a clumsy tackle.
A sudden dip and late change of direction?
I don't think he mentined dip but he did say turn back into him, which would have cut down his time to tackle lower...
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Now World Rugby reviewing whether or not Kolisi yellow updated to red. If so, match replayed.
Hang on, you are joking, right?
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Yep some AB heads weren't in the right space. Lack of composure and discipline, overly flash backline moves in the rain, chaotic TMO decisions. Hope everyone has seen the last collapsed scrum on X, SB has a good view. Barnes looked stressed in the end and who can blame him.
Even if we had sneeked the game with a goal kick I still wouldn't have been overly happy as it was a chaotic mess and a poor advert for rugby.
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The call to go for the corner, rather than the posts, came from foster, it was mentioned in the comms
Terrible coaching
Foster's going to Fozie bear. Quite appropriate result when you look at it this way
Is this in the 2nd half? I was more annoyed when they turned down the 3 in the first half and went for the lineout, and then Cane gets red carded in the next play. Down by 6 points on a wet day and they ignore the 3.
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The call to go for the corner, rather than the posts, came from foster, it was mentioned in the comms
Terrible coaching
Foster's going to Fozie bear. Quite appropriate result when you look at it this way
Is this in the 2nd half? I was more annoyed when they turned down the 3 in the first half and went for the lineout, and then Cane gets red carded in the next play. Down by 6 points on a wet day and they ignore the 3.
That first half one, called by cane under instructions from coach
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As a neutral I thought it was a great game. Very absorbing contest.
All the 'RIP rugby' takes on this thread have me somewhat bemused. I'm no fan of the cards and the TMO but ultimately the game flowed pretty well and if you haven't made your peace with the high contact rules now then you never will.
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all. Of course you can always screenshot incident X or play Y, and if you're looking for perfection you are going to be disappointed.
But in a tight, physical game with each side throwing haymakers I thought he got a lot more right than he did wrong, and he allowed the game to flow really well with clear communication.
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
As a neutral I thought it was a great game. Very absorbing contest.
All the 'RIP rugby' takes on this thread have me somewhat bemused. I'm no fan of the cards and the TMO but ultimately the game flowed pretty well and if you haven't made your peace with the high contact rules now then you never will.
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all. Of course you can always screenshot incident X or play Y, and if you're looking for perfection you are going to be disappointed.
But in a tight, physical game with each side throwing haymakers I thought he got a lot more right than he did wrong, and he allowed the game to flow really well with clear communication.
Is this a wee troll? What are these rules exactly because they change or are interpreted completely differently almost every single game. Same for what the TMO bothers to look at and same for what the ref bothers to reverse if he happens to see it on the big screen. It's an absolute dogs breakfast, and you're kidding yourself if you claim otherwise.
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I'm not sure if the going for the corner over going from a penalty is the slam dunk three points eveyone is suggesting it is. IIRC it was from a wide angle nearly 50 metres out. It was a 50/50 kick at best with our kickers.
Plus, how often in the RWC did our lineout fail? Barely ever until the final. Our chances of not securing that lineout were 90/10, unfortunately for us it was the 10 this time.
I don't think it was as bad a decision as everyone is making out.
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought this was quite a cool pic
That happened right in front of me. DDA broke off victory lap and walked 5m over to do that. Class.
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought this was quite a cool pic
That happened right in front of me. DDA broke off victory lap and walked 5m over to do that. Class.
That is so cool and one reason attending live just can’t be beat.
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I'm not sure if the going for the corner over going from a penalty is the slam dunk three points eveyone is suggesting it is. IIRC it was from a wide angle nearly 50 metres out. It was a 50/50 kick at best with our kickers.
Plus, how often in the RWC did our lineout fail? Barely ever until the final. Our chances of not securing that lineout were 90/10, unfortunately for us it was the 10 this time.
I don't think it was as bad a decision as everyone is making out.
@Nepia said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I'm not sure if the going for the corner over going from a penalty is the slam dunk three points eveyone is suggesting it is. IIRC it was from a wide angle nearly 50 metres out. It was a 50/50 kick at best with our kickers.
Plus, how often in the RWC did our lineout fail? Barely ever until the final. Our chances of not securing that lineout were 90/10, unfortunately for us it was the 10 this time.
I don't think it was as bad a decision as everyone is making out.
By then we had already lost our first two lineouts, and it was an easier kick
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@nostrildamus Gotcha. Was winding up Boks with that one!
@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@nostrildamus Gotcha. Was winding up Boks with that one!
Evil!
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The call to go for the corner, rather than the posts, came from foster, it was mentioned in the comms
Terrible coaching
Foster's going to Fozie bear. Quite appropriate result when you look at it this way
Is this in the 2nd half? I was more annoyed when they turned down the 3 in the first half and went for the lineout, and then Cane gets red carded in the next play. Down by 6 points on a wet day and they ignore the 3.
That first half one, called by cane under instructions from coach
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The call to go for the corner, rather than the posts, came from foster, it was mentioned in the comms
Terrible coaching
Foster's going to Fozie bear. Quite appropriate result when you look at it this way
Is this in the 2nd half? I was more annoyed when they turned down the 3 in the first half and went for the lineout, and then Cane gets red carded in the next play. Down by 6 points on a wet day and they ignore the 3.
That first half one, called by cane under instructions from coach
Thanks. Terrible call.
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X User:
The All Blacks were robbed , the Boks got a free 3 points. Wayne Barnes admits to Ardie he got his call wrong and still allows the kick. He is an ......... (blah blah), he pulls back an illegal All Black try, but allows illegal Bok penalty. -
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The call to go for the corner, rather than the posts, came from foster, it was mentioned in the comms
Terrible coaching
Foster's going to Fozie bear. Quite appropriate result when you look at it this way
Is this in the 2nd half? I was more annoyed when they turned down the 3 in the first half and went for the lineout, and then Cane gets red carded in the next play. Down by 6 points on a wet day and they ignore the 3.
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The call to go for the corner, rather than the posts, came from foster, it was mentioned in the comms
Terrible coaching
Foster's going to Fozie bear. Quite appropriate result when you look at it this way
Is this in the 2nd half? I was more annoyed when they turned down the 3 in the first half and went for the lineout, and then Cane gets red carded in the next play. Down by 6 points on a wet day and they ignore the 3.
They clearly wanted to hang onto the ball early, and run the Bok forwards around.
What really pissed me off was losing the lineout - that put Cane into the situation to get carded.
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As a neutral I thought it was a great game. Very absorbing contest.
All the 'RIP rugby' takes on this thread have me somewhat bemused. I'm no fan of the cards and the TMO but ultimately the game flowed pretty well and if you haven't made your peace with the high contact rules now then you never will.
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all. Of course you can always screenshot incident X or play Y, and if you're looking for perfection you are going to be disappointed.
But in a tight, physical game with each side throwing haymakers I thought he got a lot more right than he did wrong, and he allowed the game to flow really well with clear communication.
@barbarian said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I thought Wayne Barnes had a good game, especially in the last 20. He understood the stakes, let the players decide the game without it descending into a free-for-all
But he'd all but sealed the fate of the match well before that. The Frizzell yellow was worse than Kolisi not getting a red. Not to mention the bizarre rulings around the ruck
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really just posting...because i feel i should post after the big game
Gutted sums it up
There are things i would like to complain about but the reality we just didn't play as well as we needed to win, we didn't play like we did against ireland and it showed
I also just think SA wanted it more, i know their fans did, at a pub in melbourne and their fans were RABID, kiwis stood quietly at most mumbling the national anthem but the Bokke supporters were calling it out, chanting during the game etc....and i think the team played like it too...just flying up on defence when we held back and waited for them to come to us
i feel we get cards by carelessness or brain explosions, cane gets caught off guard with a player turning into him...card, scooter last week = brain fart...the Bokke get done because theyre pushing the limits, if they catch someone in a high tackle its because theyre flown out to make a dominant tackle
now thats a bad result....but i think it shows they just really want to win...and we just want to play a bit of footy
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WRT Barnes admitting fault, I found this take from the North Harbour refs coordinator interesting:
https://twitter.com/NewYorkNixon/status/1718437362341126504?s=20
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@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The call to go for the corner, rather than the posts, came from foster, it was mentioned in the comms
Terrible coaching
Foster's going to Fozie bear. Quite appropriate result when you look at it this way
Is this in the 2nd half? I was more annoyed when they turned down the 3 in the first half and went for the lineout, and then Cane gets red carded in the next play. Down by 6 points on a wet day and they ignore the 3.
They clearly wanted to hang onto the ball early, and run the Bok forwards around.
What really pissed me off was losing the lineout - that put Cane into the situation to get carded.
@nzzp said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
The call to go for the corner, rather than the posts, came from foster, it was mentioned in the comms
Terrible coaching
Foster's going to Fozie bear. Quite appropriate result when you look at it this way
Is this in the 2nd half? I was more annoyed when they turned down the 3 in the first half and went for the lineout, and then Cane gets red carded in the next play. Down by 6 points on a wet day and they ignore the 3.
They clearly wanted to hang onto the ball early, and run the Bok forwards around.
What really pissed me off was losing the lineout - that put Cane into the situation to get carded.
Fair enough, and they should stick to that plan, but it's still absolutely the wrong decision when you are given a kickable penalty. We all know in the biggest games, you have to take the points when on offer and keep in touch with the opposition. Take the 3 and they would have only been trailing by 3.
It's not like the kick to touch was ever going to result in a 5 metre lineout, it was at best always going to be around the 22. On a wet day, against a supper aggressive defence, the chances of scoring a try from that far out was always going to be slim.
