All Blacks 2024.. locked
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Leadership:
It’s going to be very interesting to see who Razor picks as his Captain.
I’d go with Ardie who will only grow from his 2023 RWC experiences, is World Player of the Year and is outstanding with the off-field stuff.
Scott Barrett and Codie Taylor are all proven leaders too. Jordie Barrett was an on-field leader in the 2023 RWC and deserves to be part of the leadership group going forward.
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@sparky mate it's way too early to be so drunk. In what world is Kaylum Boshier a better shot than Ioane and Sotutu?
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Enough beating around the bush, here is Razor's first full squad:
Props:
Ethan de Groot
Tamaiti Williams
George Bower
Tyrel Lomax
Fletcher Newell
Tevita MafileoHookers:
Codie Taylor
Samisoni Taukei'aho
George BellLocks:
Scott Barrett
Josh Lord
Quinten Strange
Pari Pari Parkinson? (We're bloody short on locks, but have a gut fell Vaa'i won't make the cut)Loose Forwards:
Dom Gardiner
Samipeni Finau
Dalton Papalii
Sam Cane
Ardie Savea
Cullen Grace
Simon ParkerHalfbacks:
Cam Roigard
Folau Fakatava
Finlay ChristieFirst Fives:
Damian McKenzie
David Havili
Brett CameronMidfielders:
Jordie Barrett
Rieko Ioane
Anton Lienert-Brown
Dallas McLeod
Riley HigginsOutside Backs:
Macca Springer
Mark Telea
Will Jordan
Emoni Narawa
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens -
Squad I'd like to see :
Taylor
ST
ThompsonDe Groot
Williams
NumiaLomax
Newell
Ma'uBarrett
Lord
Selby-Rickitt
Walker-LeawereFinau
Gardiner
Blackadder
Grace
Savea
SuafoaRoigard
Fakatava
RatimaDMac
HaviliBarrett
McLeod
Proctor
Ioane
ALBTelea
Narawa
ReeceJordan
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Feel like you've basically thrown every Super Rugby starter (and then some) into the ABs mix for next year, @sparky
I wouldn't be surprised if over 50% of the guys who get a call-up over the next few years have only played one Super season to date at the point in time.
The guys that absolutely need replacing for next year's squad are Coles, Laulala, Retallick, Whitelock, Frizell, Smith, Mo'unga and Beauden Barrett. You'd think most of those guys will be replaced by already capped ABs (Grace, Sotutu, Aumua, Perofeta etc) with a couple of exceptions. Then I think Razor will pad out the squad with a couple of very young options, a la Barrett, Retallick etc in 2012.
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Feel like you've basically thrown every Super Rugby starter (and then some) into the ABs mix for next year, @sparky
I wouldn't be surprised if over 50% of the guys who get a call-up over the next few years have only played one Super season to date at the point in time.
The guys that absolutely need replacing for next year's squad are Coles, Laulala, Retallick, Whitelock, Frizell, Smith, Mo'unga and Beauden Barrett. You'd think most of those guys will be replaced by already capped ABs (Grace, Sotutu, Aumua, Perofeta etc) with a couple of exceptions. Then I think Razor will pad out the squad with a couple of very young options, a la Barrett, Retallick etc in 2012.
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If Super Rugby is one step down from Test Rugby, then the path way for established, high-performing and successful Super Players should be on to Test Rugby, the All Blacks XV, the New Zealand Māori or lucrative contracts overseas.
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I’d add Sam Cane to those who will need replacing next year or in the next two years.
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I’m not sure Aumua’s set piece work is good enough for the ABs anymore.
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I feel Razor is going to try and convince NZR to bring in the equivalent of the Giteau law. He did hint at it when he was appointed. If this happens we will see the likes of BBBR and Mounga play in black again. I'm ok with it personally if we limit it to two players.
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I feel Razor is going to try and convince NZR to bring in the equivalent of the Giteau law. He did hint at it when he was appointed. If this happens we will see the likes of BBBR and Mounga play in black again. I'm ok with it personally if we limit it to two players.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
Drummond - Just the Seven Super Titles with the Crusaders. You don’t play 100+ games for the Crusaders if there is not something about you. Enough said, a winner. He should have received a lot more All Blacks caps than he already has.
Peak virtue signalling.
@Bones Not playing = quality player.
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Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
He still has a few things to work on and can, I think, get even better - and he's only 26. Which for the opposition must be a frightening prospect
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
Not this Ioane shit again
Our visionless, hungus non-distributing centre threw the last pass in the first two tries of our biggest win in a couple of years not a fortnight ago.
no no no @mariner4life, he's not as good as a hypothetical who combines Conrad, Bruce Robertson, Horan and Lomu.
Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
Rough on Bunce, Stanley and 1920s superstar Bert Cooke.
Bert Cooke was shit compared to Karl Ifwersen......
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Razor will leave no stone unturned before picking his first side next season
Yeah all those coaches that left unturned stones in their quest to put points on the board in a game of two halves.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Razor will leave no stone unturned before picking his first side next season
Yeah all those coaches that left unturned stones in their quest to put points on the board in a game of two halves.
Reading that made me as sick as a parrot.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@cgrant Lord should already be the incumbent, he's got enough size.
Just needs to get in touch with Ethan Blackadder's trainer.
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First Five - NZ Rugby looks thin here.
DMac is the obvious pick to start. Both Beauden Barrett and Richie Mo’unga are off to Japan for a bit and could be back by 2027 to be RWC squad members, but younger options are needed.
I’d like to see more of David Havili at First Five to see if he is a Test option. Stephen Perofeta looked great at Ten for the All Blacks XV, but needs more time playing there at Super Level.
Beyond that, the cupboard looks rather bare.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
First Five - NZ Rugby looks thin here.
DMac is the obvious pick to start. Both Beauden Barrett and Richie Mo’unga are off to Japan for a bit and could be back by 2027 to be RWC squad members, but younger options are needed.
I’d like to see more of David Havili at First Five to see if he is a Test option. Stephen Perofeta looked great at Ten for the All Blacks XV, but needs more time playing there at Super Level.
Beyond that, the cupboard looks rather bare.
I’m confused as to how things are thin here but midfield is apparently an area of strength ?
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Back Row -
Sam Cane and Shannon Frizell are off to Japan for a bit. Neither has clearly called time on their ABs career. They might have a role to play at international level again, but I don’t think either will be in the All Blacks team in 2027.
Beyond that, there is lots and lots to pick from: Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Samipeni Finau, Ethan Blackadder, Cullen Grace, Billy Harmon, Kaylum Bolshier, Peter Lakai, Devan Flanders, MM-T, Dominic Gardiner, Christian Lio-Willie, Anton Segner and maybe Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu if they get going again.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
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Sam Cane and Shannon Frizell are off to Japan for a bit. Neither has clearly called time on their ABs career. They might have a role to play at international level again, but I don’t think either will be in the All Blacks team in 2027.
Beyond that, there is lots and lots to pick from: Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Samipeni Finau, Ethan Blackadder, Cullen Grace, Billy Harmon, Kaylum Bolshier, Peter Lakai, Devan Flanders, MM-T, Dominic Gardiner, Christian Lio-Willie, Anton Segner and maybe Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu if they get going again.
Cane is available for all ABs tests next year, and I can't see Razor dropping him from the squad
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
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Sam Cane and Shannon Frizell are off to Japan for a bit. Neither has clearly called time on their ABs career. They might have a role to play at international level again, but I don’t think either will be in the All Blacks team in 2027.
Beyond that, there is lots and lots to pick from: Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Samipeni Finau, Ethan Blackadder, Cullen Grace, Billy Harmon, Kaylum Bolshier, Peter Lakai, Devan Flanders, MM-T, Dominic Gardiner, Christian Lio-Willie, Anton Segner and maybe Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu if they get going again.
Cane is available for all ABs tests next year, and I can't see Razor dropping him from the squad
@Machpants I doubt he will make it to 2027. He’ll be eased out sooner or later. I don’t think he’ll be dumped like Gary Whetton but he won’t be central to Razor’s plans either.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
First Five - NZ Rugby looks thin here.
DMac is the obvious pick to start. Both Beauden Barrett and Richie Mo’unga are off to Japan for a bit and could be back by 2027 to be RWC squad members, but younger options are needed.
I’d like to see more of David Havili at First Five to see if he is a Test option. Stephen Perofeta looked great at Ten for the All Blacks XV, but needs more time playing there at Super Level.
Beyond that, the cupboard looks rather bare.
I’m confused as to how things are thin here but midfield is apparently an area of strength ?
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@MN5 Midfield we have a clear top two in Jordie Barrett and Reiko Ioane and three decent backups in ALB, Billy Proctor and Dallas McLeod. I’m not worried about our midfield options. Riley Higgins is an exciting prospect as well.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 Midfield we have a clear top two in Jordie Barrett and Reiko Ioane and three decent backups in ALB, Billy Proctor and Dallas McLeod. I’m not worried about our midfield options. Riley Higgins is an exciting prospect as well.
Well at least you got rid of Havilli from your list……but then again he’s in your first five list.
God help us
