Barnes autobiography
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@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
My recollection was Henry was making the point the the match was such an outlier it was a suspicion. The disbelief was the IRB had no mechanism for investigating bizarre matches. And despite Wayne's protestations to the contrary, it was fucking bizarre.
@antipodean said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
My recollection was Henry was making the point the the match was such an outlier it was a suspicion. The disbelief was the IRB had no mechanism for investigating bizarre matches. And despite Wayne's protestations to the contrary, it was fucking bizarre.
So, in a nutshell “I’m not saying for one minute there was match fixing, but what if there was”?
You would expect better from someone of Henry’s standing.
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There's every chance it was match fixing. We live in a corrupt world and rugby is not immune. Not saying it was, but I certainly contemplated it given how much of an outlier the complete lack of penalties the ABs way was, especially when you consider they dominated possession and territory. Never seen anything like it before or after. Of course the most likely reason is he was out of his depth and swallowed his whistle a lot earlier than you'd expect (most refs get reluctant in the last 5 minutes of a final, not the last 60...).
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There's every chance it was match fixing. We live in a corrupt world and rugby is not immune. Not saying it was, but I certainly contemplated it given how much of an outlier the complete lack of penalties the ABs way was, especially when you consider they dominated possession and territory. Never seen anything like it before or after. Of course the most likely reason is he was out of his depth and swallowed his whistle a lot earlier than you'd expect (most refs get reluctant in the last 5 minutes of a final, not the last 60...).
You could be right. Who do you think was paid not to take a drop goal?
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You could be right. Who do you think was paid not to take a drop goal?
@Catogrande McCaw
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You could be right. Who do you think was paid not to take a drop goal?
@Catogrande the whole team by NZR! Under instruction to keep the ball in hand and wait for the inevitable try, or penalty when they cheat to stop said try. Oh.
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@antipodean said in Barnes autobiography:
@Kiwiwomble said in Barnes autobiography:
the death threats are inexcusable though, so i actually give him some credit for sticking at a thankless job after receiving them
It's not the Taliban making threats is it?
I also found Henry's comments surprising, i dont think too many people legitimately thought there was match fixing rather than just a howling fuck up...let alone put it in print
My recollection was Henry was making the point the the match was such an outlier it was a suspicion. The disbelief was the IRB had no mechanism for investigating bizarre matches. And despite Wayne's protestations to the contrary, it was fucking bizarre.
So, in a nutshell “I’m not saying for one minute there was match fixing, but what if there was”?
You would expect better from someone of Henry’s standing.
First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
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Glad to see the back of him. He is an outlier when it comes to AB win % with him as ref versus other refs
@DaGrubster what's the stats for Raynal?
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@DaGrubster what's the stats for Raynal?
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Actually just found it.
https://www.rugbydatabase.co.nz/team/refereeList.php?teamId=3
64% win rate with Wayne barnes (we would have averaged c.85% in 2007-2023)
25 test matches. Many of these would have been during our most dominant period in history too.
I won’t miss him
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Dunno, I just did that based on the feels. Haven’t managed to find any actual stats yet!
@DaGrubster feels can be deceiving, just ask the moron that wrote off Williams last year.
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@DaGrubster feels can be deceiving, just ask the moron that wrote off Williams last year.
Was that you?!
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First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
Yeah as would I (bolded bit). Not his best outing by a long way, but let down by his touch judges too, who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis.
Nonetheless for Sir Graham to suggest match fixing as a possibility despite zero evidence is a very poor look and also very poor form.
One does not excuse the other.
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
Yeah as would I (bolded bit). Not his best outing by a long way, but let down by his touch judges too, who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis.
Nonetheless for Sir Graham to suggest match fixing as a possibility despite zero evidence is a very poor look and also very poor form.
One does not excuse the other.
It wasn’t the forward pass, it was the rest of the game with a plethora of penalties he didn’t call.
That was the reason for one of the most bizarre officiating performances not seen before (ok, maybe some dodgy saffa refs at home) or since.
It looks as though Henry looked at every possible reason and came up with match fixing before dismissing it. Is that right?
Clearly for Henry to even contemplate that shows the magnitude of Barnes failure.
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@DaGrubster what's the stats for Raynal?
71%
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@DaGrubster said in Barnes autobiography:
First, I would expect better from a ref in a RWC qtr final.
Secondly, it very nearly ended his AB coaching career. How fuxking tough would he have had to do it to get the clusterfuck that Wayne barnes produced.
Wayne Barnes can fuck off
Yeah as would I (bolded bit). Not his best outing by a long way, but let down by his touch judges too, who, funnily enough hardly get called out on an individual basis.
Nonetheless for Sir Graham to suggest match fixing as a possibility despite zero evidence is a very poor look and also very poor form.
One does not excuse the other.
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
basket let down
Well it was pretty heavy with all those gold watches
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It wasn’t the forward pass, it was the rest of the game with a plethora of penalties he didn’t call.
That was the reason for one of the most bizarre officiating performances not seen before (ok, maybe some dodgy saffa refs at home) or since.
It looks as though Henry looked at every possible reason and came up with match fixing before dismissing it. Is that right?
Clearly for Henry to even contemplate that shows the magnitude of Barnes failure.
I get that it wasn't just the forward pass, Barnes' team let him down all round the park that day and I know that they didn't have the same powers or tech they have today but they were still a team. I'm not saying this exonerates Barnes' performance, nor does it exonerate the IRB (was it still them then) that appointed a young up and coming, but still somewhat inexperienced ref to such a high profile game.
As to what Henry said, well one can put whatever slant one wishes on to that but for me, probably better to have not said it. Particularly from a man of his standing.
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@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
basket let down
Well it was pretty heavy with all those gold watches
@Bones said in Barnes autobiography:
@Catogrande said in Barnes autobiography:
basket let down
Well it was pretty heavy with all those gold watches
Bugger me but you're giving me a hard time typo and grammar wise these days.
