Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s
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Do like the intent of this thread.
Personally I'm a fanboi of Zarn.
Just like the way he plays. And reckon he has a very high ceiling.
Not sure Super Rugby and AB coaches think the same
@booboo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Do like the intent of this thread.
Personally I'm a fanboi of Zarn.
Just like the way he plays. And reckon he has a very high ceiling.
Not sure Super Rugby and AB coaches think the same
Did you watch much NPC? Zarn has a long way to go at ten. He's an AB quality fullback though
Lucas Cashmore might be ahead of him in the 10 rankings at the Blues (it's hard to guess with the changes in the coaching staff)
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@booboo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Do like the intent of this thread.
Personally I'm a fanboi of Zarn.
Just like the way he plays. And reckon he has a very high ceiling.
Not sure Super Rugby and AB coaches think the same
Did you watch much NPC? Zarn has a long way to go at ten. He's an AB quality fullback though
Lucas Cashmore might be ahead of him in the 10 rankings at the Blues (it's hard to guess with the changes in the coaching staff)
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@Duluth said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Zarn has a long way to go at ten. He's an AB quality fullback though
Thoughts on him as a possible 12? Has the distribution game, and has some decent size.
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@booboo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Do like the intent of this thread.
Personally I'm a fanboi of Zarn.
Just like the way he plays. And reckon he has a very high ceiling.
Not sure Super Rugby and AB coaches think the same
Did you watch much NPC? Zarn has a long way to go at ten. He's an AB quality fullback though
Lucas Cashmore might be ahead of him in the 10 rankings at the Blues (it's hard to guess with the changes in the coaching staff)
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@Frank I hope the Blues will play him at 10 but I suspect they will play Perofeta and Zarn will play 15. I think Zarn has the most potential to be a world class 10 I don't have much hope for many of the other youngsters coming through on my limited viewing of them.
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I don't understand the concern around Perofeta, was he poor in NPC or something? He got fuck all chance in the ABs, I'd prefer to see him at least given a proper try, rather than scraps when the coaches have shown zero confidence in him.
If he can settle in at test level I really like his game style.
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In contrast to Graham Henry's use of four first five eighths during his tenure, Hansen and Foster blooded relatively few new number 10s in their respective reigns. Hansen went as far as hyping a dual playmaker in an attempt to keep Barrett in his team when it became clear that the player wasn't a reliable goalkicker (among other deficiencies). His successor fell around between Mounga and Barrett as his first choice flyhalf until resurrecting the Mounga-Barrett dual playmaker system that had so spectacularly failed to deliver in the RWC2019 semi-final.
Given the need for building depth at 10 for the All Blacks, what's your opinions on the possible back-up AB 10s?
Please compare/contrast the candidates i.t.o. your perspective on their game management, distribution, goalkicking, tactical kicking, running, defence OR give a brief overall opinion on the specific players.
Potential Probables (who might the inside running due to various factors):
A. Perofeta
B. BurkePossibles (outside chances, often affected by game time at 10 during Super Rugby 2024):
C. Zarn Sullivan
D. Rivez Reihana
E. Ruben Love
F. David Havili (is this still a cru idea?)Feel free to mention any other candidates.
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
flyhalf
A what? Take that talk over to GAGR…
@Bones I don’t mind Perofeta’s game overall but I’m not sure he’s a natural 1st 5 or has the instincts for the position. Prefer him at fullback.
Yet to see anything from Z. Sullivan that suggests he could play 1st 5 even at Super level. Like Perofeta, much prefer him at fullback.
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Z Sullivan looked like a FB playing first five in the NPC.
His future is at FB Imo.
Good under the high ball great boot hits the line well.
He looked slow at first five his reaction time was slow in his decision making.
I don’t see Sullivan as a AB first five, FB yes. -
I don't understand the concern around Perofeta, was he poor in NPC or something? He got fuck all chance in the ABs, I'd prefer to see him at least given a proper try, rather than scraps when the coaches have shown zero confidence in him.
If he can settle in at test level I really like his game style.
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
I don't understand the concern around Perofeta, was he poor in NPC or something? He got fuck all chance in the ABs, I'd prefer to see him at least given a proper try, rather than scraps when the coaches have shown zero confidence in him.
If he can settle in at test level I really like his game style.
Taranaki played him mostly at FB he didn’t really get a chance at First five.
SR will give him a chance to get game time there.
Cotter I saw in an interview mentioned Perofeta as likely to get the first shot at First five. -
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
In contrast to Graham Henry's use of four first five eighths during his tenure, Hansen and Foster blooded relatively few new number 10s in their respective reigns. Hansen went as far as hyping a dual playmaker in an attempt to keep Barrett in his team when it became clear that the player wasn't a reliable goalkicker (among other deficiencies). His successor fell around between Mounga and Barrett as his first choice flyhalf until resurrecting the Mounga-Barrett dual playmaker system that had so spectacularly failed to deliver in the RWC2019 semi-final.
Given the need for building depth at 10 for the All Blacks, what's your opinions on the possible back-up AB 10s?
Please compare/contrast the candidates i.t.o. your perspective on their game management, distribution, goalkicking, tactical kicking, running, defence OR give a brief overall opinion on the specific players.
Potential Probables (who might the inside running due to various factors):
A. Perofeta
B. BurkePossibles (outside chances, often affected by game time at 10 during Super Rugby 2024):
C. Zarn Sullivan
D. Rivez Reihana
E. Ruben Love
F. David Havili (is this still a cru idea?)Feel free to mention any other candidates.
Yikes, we might be in trouble fellas. Perofeta as backup says it all really.
@Canes4life I hear what you're saying. Personally, I don't hate him and he hasn't done anything terrible in black imo, but his play doesn't grab my imagination. He's Mounga-Lite (and that's not really a compliment).
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Assuming DMac and BB are available, Robertson has some breathing space at 10 to look at SR form, pick options and then develop them. Be good to think he'd be working with the SR coaches on the latter.
Perofeta is the most "experienced" (seems to have all but 10 seconds of AB game time) but my guess is also Rueben Love and Zarn Sullivan. Bryn Gatland if he returns? Not sold on Havili - maybe OK as a utility on the bench.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Assuming DMac and BB are available, Robertson has some breathing space at 10 to look at SR form, pick options and then develop them. Be good to think he'd be working with the SR coaches on the latter.
Perofeta is the most "experienced" (seems to have all but 10 seconds of AB game time) but my guess is also Rueben Love and Zarn Sullivan. Bryn Gatland if he returns? Not sold on Havili - maybe OK as a utility on the bench.
Same re Havili. He was always good coming off the bench as FB cover. First five is a marginally better fit for him than 2nd five, but I wouldn't bet the farm on that experiment... even at the Crusaders tbh.
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If Love isn't going to play 1st 5 for the Hurricanes he is no chance. In that case, Cameron would be ahead of him.
@Bovidae said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If Love isn't going to play 1st 5 for the Hurricanes he is no chance. In that case, Cameron would be ahead of him.
That's the whole thing with these candidates, super rugby game time is crucial.
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I like the look of Aidan Morgan
@MiketheSnow said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
I like the look of Aidan Morgan
I'm not really an Aidan Morgan fan. Always struck me as a bit small, but otoh Dmac is no giant. Only Zarn and Rivez have any sort of size advantage over the others. However, some folks don't like size at 10 at all.
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@booboo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Do like the intent of this thread.
Personally I'm a fanboi of Zarn.
Just like the way he plays. And reckon he has a very high ceiling.
Not sure Super Rugby and AB coaches think the same
Did you watch much NPC? Zarn has a long way to go at ten. He's an AB quality fullback though
Lucas Cashmore might be ahead of him in the 10 rankings at the Blues (it's hard to guess with the changes in the coaching staff)
@Duluth said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@booboo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Do like the intent of this thread.
Personally I'm a fanboi of Zarn.
Just like the way he plays. And reckon he has a very high ceiling.
Not sure Super Rugby and AB coaches think the same
Did you watch much NPC? Zarn has a long way to go at ten. He's an AB quality fullback though
Lucas Cashmore might be ahead of him in the 10 rankings at the Blues (it's hard to guess with the changes in the coaching staff)
Damn it. Cashmore should've been in my original post tbh.
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@ACT-Crusader @Chris yeah I'm looking forward to him getting a proper go at ten, without Barrett in the mix.
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader @Chris yeah I'm looking forward to him getting a proper go at ten, without Barrett in the mix.
You'd like to to think the AB & SR coaches are co-ordinated on where players play as well
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@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
flyhalf
A what? Take that talk over to GAGR…
@Bones I don’t mind Perofeta’s game overall but I’m not sure he’s a natural 1st 5 or has the instincts for the position. Prefer him at fullback.
Yet to see anything from Z. Sullivan that suggests he could play 1st 5 even at Super level. Like Perofeta, much prefer him at fullback.
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
flyhalf
A what? Take that talk over to GAGR…
@Bones I don’t mind Perofeta’s game overall but I’m not sure he’s a natural 1st 5 or has the instincts for the position. Prefer him at fullback.
Yet to see anything from Z. Sullivan that suggests he could play 1st 5 even at Super level. Like Perofeta, much prefer him at fullback.
GAGR... I haven't thought about that site in years. It still exists? I believe they would prefer the term "stand-off" or "pivot"
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@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader @Chris yeah I'm looking forward to him getting a proper go at ten, without Barrett in the mix.
You'd like to to think the AB & SR coaches are co-ordinated on where players play as well
@Victor-Meldrew said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader @Chris yeah I'm looking forward to him getting a proper go at ten, without Barrett in the mix.
You'd like to to think the AB & SR coaches are co-ordinated on where players play as well
Hopefully a bit easier for that to happen from next year.
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@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader @Chris yeah I'm looking forward to him getting a proper go at ten, without Barrett in the mix.
You'd like to to think the AB & SR coaches are co-ordinated on where players play as well
@Victor-Meldrew said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
You'd like to to think the AB & SR coaches are co-ordinated on where players play as well
The SR coaches will do what is best for their team, and Robertson can't complain as he did exactly the same thing.
