Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s
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All very fair points... if we want to crystal ball gaze then, who will be the three 10s at the next RWC, and who will be the starting one?
Gut feel is DMac might end up buggering off overseas in 2025 if he can't nail down the 10 jersey. Barrett will be too old?
I'm guessing Mo'unga, B Cameron & Millar... but I'm not really sure on any of this.
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@KiwiMurph aren't we all a fan of Beauden just needs that 10 jersey, Mounga had 2 World cups in it and lost both in the driver's seat simple as that
@george33 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@KiwiMurph aren't we all a fan of Beauden just needs that 10 jersey, Mounga had 2 World cups in it and lost both in the driver's seat simple as that
That doesn't mean Beauden should be 10. Beauden was a distant third behind Mo'unga and Dmac last season as a 10 during Super Rugby in terms of form. He should have been challenged by Perofeta for the Blues 10 jersey if it was on merit.
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@george33 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@KiwiMurph aren't we all a fan of Beauden just needs that 10 jersey, Mounga had 2 World cups in it and lost both in the driver's seat simple as that
That doesn't mean Beauden should be 10. Beauden was a distant third behind Mo'unga and Dmac last season as a 10 during Super Rugby in terms of form. He should have been challenged by Perofeta for the Blues 10 jersey if it was on merit.
@KiwiMurph he should have been 10 from the start, Mounga just wasn't cut out to be a test 10 and it was proved in the end
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@KiwiMurph he should have been 10 from the start, Mounga just wasn't cut out to be a test 10 and it was proved in the end
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@KiwiMurph he should have been 10 from the start, Mounga just wasn't cut out to be a test 10 and it was proved in the end
@george33 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@KiwiMurph he should have been 10 from the start, Mounga just wasn't cut out to be a test 10 and it was proved in the end
to be clear..BB...who was average at 10 in super rugby...should have started ahead of RM....who was an integral part of the super rugby champions?
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I think that Dmac has the potential to be a fantastic number 10, with the only real work-on being his goal kicking accuracy. I'm hoping a season as the starting AB 10 will be exactly what he needs to build confidence of his place in the side and he grows from there.
BB I'm hoping is just an insurance policy as the cupboard is bare after him. His tactical kicking and goal kicking have declined markedly in the last few years and whether he plays at 10 or 15 I hope he spends some time trying to improve these (he appears over the last few years disinterested in taking the primary goalkicking duties for any team).
RM was a great SR player but seemed a little limited at the top level, couldn't quite kick the ball far enough, couldn't quite get his goalkicking % high enough. Sadly in pressure games those 2 things cost you. Wasn't bad and deserved his spot but I certainly wouldn't class him as a great.
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D Mac under pressure at First five will be interesting,
I have seen him Panic getting kicks charged down and reverting back to running sideways.
I hope he fixes those things up,as he is way above anyone else we have available now as a First Five option.Next season will be testing for D Mac 2 tests in 2 weeks V SA in SA.
England at home for 2 tests
And a tough end of year tour with potential games. V England,Ireland and France. -
D Mac under pressure at First five will be interesting,
I have seen him Panic getting kicks charged down and reverting back to running sideways.
I hope he fixes those things up,as he is way above anyone else we have available now as a First Five option.Next season will be testing for D Mac 2 tests in 2 weeks V SA in SA.
England at home for 2 tests
And a tough end of year tour with potential games. V England,Ireland and France.@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
D Mac under pressure at First five will be interesting,
They need to select the right halfback first, (i.e., not Christie). Not having BB throwing a hospital pass would also help.
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@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
D Mac under pressure at First five will be interesting,
They need to select the right halfback first, (i.e., not Christie). Not having BB throwing a hospital pass would also help.
@Bovidae said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
D Mac under pressure at First five will be interesting,
They need to select the right halfback first, (i.e., not Christie). Not having BB throwing a hospital pass would also help.
Yes that all adds to the equation.
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@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
dont think its too crazy an idea that players don't tend to get FASTER as the age...and speed plays a roles in how he creates mismatches
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
dont think its too crazy an idea that players don't tend to get FASTER as the age...and speed plays a roles in how he creates mismatches
Except that's not what I was talking about.
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@KiwiMurph he should have been 10 from the start, Mounga just wasn't cut out to be a test 10 and it was proved in the end
@george33 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@KiwiMurph he should have been 10 from the start, Mounga just wasn't cut out to be a test 10 and it was proved in the end
By your 'logic' none of the team in the last RWC should have been picked-that includes BB.
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@KiwiMurph aren't we all a fan of Beauden just needs that 10 jersey, Mounga had 2 World cups in it and lost both in the driver's seat simple as that
@george33 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@KiwiMurph aren't we all a fan of Beauden just needs that 10 jersey, Mounga had 2 World cups in it and lost both in the driver's seat simple as that
Fuck I'm close to creating 10 dummy accounts to upvote this shitloads.
Magic.
Finger-tips to the lips, and... kissy-noise. -
@george33 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@KiwiMurph aren't we all a fan of Beauden just needs that 10 jersey, Mounga had 2 World cups in it and lost both in the driver's seat simple as that
Fuck I'm close to creating 10 dummy accounts to upvote this shitloads.
Magic.
Finger-tips to the lips, and... kissy-noise. -
@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
D Mac under pressure at First five will be interesting,
They need to select the right halfback first, (i.e., not Christie). Not having BB throwing a hospital pass would also help.
@Bovidae said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
D Mac under pressure at First five will be interesting,
They need to select the right halfback first, (i.e., not Christie). Not having BB throwing a hospital pass would also help.
Interesting in his radio interview the only halfback Razor name checked was Roigard.
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D Mac under pressure at First five will be interesting,
I have seen him Panic getting kicks charged down and reverting back to running sideways.
I hope he fixes those things up,as he is way above anyone else we have available now as a First Five option.Next season will be testing for D Mac 2 tests in 2 weeks V SA in SA.
England at home for 2 tests
And a tough end of year tour with potential games. V England,Ireland and France.@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
D Mac under pressure at First five will be interesting,
I have seen him Panic getting kicks charged down and reverting back to running sideways.
I hope he fixes those things up,as he is way above anyone else we have available now as a First Five option.Next season will be testing for D Mac 2 tests in 2 weeks V SA in SA.
England at home for 2 tests
And a tough end of year tour with potential games. V England,Ireland and France.He did improve (certainly not eliminate but improved) on both these aspects for the Chiefs in the last round of SR.
Of course there's no guarantee at all that SR form will flow into internationals but at least it shows that it's an aspect of his game he's trying to improve.
Given 2024 is set up to be his first year as the main driver of the AB's at 10 I'm putting him in the "a lot to prove, but I hope he'll prove me right" camp.
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@Chris said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
D Mac under pressure at First five will be interesting,
I have seen him Panic getting kicks charged down and reverting back to running sideways.
I hope he fixes those things up,as he is way above anyone else we have available now as a First Five option.Next season will be testing for D Mac 2 tests in 2 weeks V SA in SA.
England at home for 2 tests
And a tough end of year tour with potential games. V England,Ireland and France.He did improve (certainly not eliminate but improved) on both these aspects for the Chiefs in the last round of SR.
Of course there's no guarantee at all that SR form will flow into internationals but at least it shows that it's an aspect of his game he's trying to improve.
Given 2024 is set up to be his first year as the main driver of the AB's at 10 I'm putting him in the "a lot to prove, but I hope he'll prove me right" camp.
Given 2024 is set up to be his first year as the main driver of the AB's at 10 I'm putting him in the "a lot to prove, but I hope he'll prove me right" camp.
Yeah I am at the same place and also have DMac in that camp.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
dont think its too crazy an idea that players don't tend to get FASTER as the age...and speed plays a roles in how he creates mismatches
Except that's not what I was talking about.
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Bones said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@voodoo said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
these things will also not improve.
I'm on board with the rest of the post but geez, that's pretty out there.
dont think its too crazy an idea that players don't tend to get FASTER as the age...and speed plays a roles in how he creates mismatches
Except that's not what I was talking about.
what were you talking about then because you quoted
He was clearly our best option at 10 this year, but his strengths were his speed and eye for a mismatch in broken play. Those things will not improve over time.
