All Blacks 2024
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@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
Mate not in anyway arguing against Razor doing shows etc, and I not sure I have ever felt that the coach wasn't main man for ABs. Was just commenting on how Mrs etc thought of how it was going. I have enjoyed Ryan being in press an awful lot since he been forward coach (he genuinely has been) but also has just been very interesting about how he saw game going and elements of it rather than himself. Once again it not against Razor who I completely support etc, just the way I thought perhaps the show/questions were asked etc.
Also I do actually have a little worry when the coach is so important, as you mention Carwyn James, who was not someone who was front and centre, but get worried when you end up with press making it too much. I give you Eddie Jones who I believe has always made it about himself etc.
I DO NOT think Razor is anyway like him and don't want to get him like that. I will admit, would personally prefer he never did a breakdance again (find it cringeworthy) , which is what he is probably know for as much as his coaching almost overseas. -
I will say it great to see him getting in amongst it with Super coaches etc, spending time with MacMillan and so on.
Also like how particular coaches are looking at certain positions in super comp ,although I think this is generally how it done anyway, but maybe a little more specific. I remember being at a lunch in Brisbane when Foxy talked about how it worked, he was a selector at time. It has always been that way for quite sometime, just expanding it a bit. Not sure if all will be selectors or feed info into group. -
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
Mate not in anyway arguing against Razor doing shows etc, and I not sure I have ever felt that the coach wasn't main man for ABs. Was just commenting on how Mrs etc thought of how it was going. I have enjoyed Ryan being in press an awful lot since he been forward coach (he genuinely has been) but also has just been very interesting about how he saw game going and elements of it rather than himself. Once again it not against Razor who I completely support etc, just the way I thought perhaps the show/questions were asked etc.
Also I do actually have a little worry when the coach is so important, as you mention Carwyn James, who was not someone who was front and centre, but get worried when you end up with press making it too much. I give you Eddie Jones who I believe has always made it about himself etc.
I DO NOT think Razor is anyway like him and don't want to get him like that. I will admit, would personally prefer he never did a breakdance again (find it cringeworthy) , which is what he is probably know for as much as his coaching almost overseas.@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Dan54 with NZ losing so much playing talent, and with it the ability to be player-led, maybe the coach does need to be main man again. A bit like Carwyn James when masterminded the Lions triumph in '71 (albeit aided by some generational talent) and ushered NZ into the modern age of running rugby
NZ used to be leading rugby-innovators. Time to re-take that mantle and develop the players to follow the Robertson masterplan
Mate not in anyway arguing against Razor doing shows etc, and I not sure I have ever felt that the coach wasn't main man for ABs. Was just commenting on how Mrs etc thought of how it was going. I have enjoyed Ryan being in press an awful lot since he been forward coach (he genuinely has been) but also has just been very interesting about how he saw game going and elements of it rather than himself. Once again it not against Razor who I completely support etc, just the way I thought perhaps the show/questions were asked etc.
Also I do actually have a little worry when the coach is so important, as you mention Carwyn James, who was not someone who was front and centre, but get worried when you end up with press making it too much. I give you Eddie Jones who I believe has always made it about himself etc.
I DO NOT think Razor is anyway like him and don't want to get him like that. I will admit, would personally prefer he never did a breakdance again (find it cringeworthy) , which is what he is probably know for as much as his coaching almost overseas.it wouldnt bother me if he did the breakdance after a WC win ,
But dont want to see it as a yearly thing winning bledisloes , rugby championships etc
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Fůck pretty words, it's all about deeds. Plenty of these guys have a silver tongue but can't deliver on what they promise. It appears Hammett hypnotised everyone who came into contact with him but it was all talk.
I'm optimistic about Razor, but that's because he has achieved so much success and has the runs on the board.
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Fůck pretty words, it's all about deeds. Plenty of these guys have a silver tongue but can't deliver on what they promise. It appears Hammett hypnotised everyone who came into contact with him but it was all talk.
I'm optimistic about Razor, but that's because he has achieved so much success and has the runs on the board.
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An honest question but isn't everyone in the rebuilding phase ex the RWC? So we can't really use that as an excuse if everyone else is in the same boat?
Are there any teams that genuinely aren't? SA maybe?
@Windows97 SA definitely need to get younger players in. This group bar one or two players will be too old at the next WC. Will be interesting to see what the first test team post WC looks like
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@Windows97 SA definitely need to get younger players in. This group bar one or two players will be too old at the next WC. Will be interesting to see what the first test team post WC looks like
@W32 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Windows97 SA definitely need to get younger players in. This group bar one or two players will be too old at the next WC. Will be interesting to see what the first test team post WC looks like
Perhaps we'll see a repeat of 2015-19. Boks getting beaten all over the place and then putting the pieces of the jigsaw together near RWC time.
On the AB side of things, there's a pretty strong core team for Robertson to build on and he has the time to get the team where he wants it. I'm more interested in the general direction the team is going in - depth, ability to handle pressure, etc - than in PR fluff or even results in the first season or two.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel I do think there's value in Razor connecting with the media and the public. Rugby really struggles to be fan centric and Razor is a breath of fresh air in that sense.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I do think there's value in Razor connecting with the media and the public. Rugby really struggles to be fan centric and Razor is a breath of fresh air in that sense.
For sure. PR is a huge part of the job. But as I said, I'll judge based on actions and results not pretty words.
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For a blast from the past, I leave below Rattue's take on the worst XV of the Henry era - just prior to the 2011 RWC.
Aged like milk.
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For a blast from the past, I leave below Rattue's take on the worst XV of the Henry era - just prior to the 2011 RWC.
Aged like milk.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp exclude Nonu and I can't see the problem!
pffft, Ben Smith?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp exclude Nonu and I can't see the problem!
pffft, Ben Smith?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp exclude Nonu and I can't see the problem!
pffft, Ben Smith?
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp exclude Nonu and I can't see the problem!
pffft, Ben Smith?
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@nzzp exclude Nonu and I can't see the problem!
pffft, Ben Smith?
and a certain Stephen Donald cameo.
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I mean, it's so spectactularly wrong it's funny.
And it's so spectacularly mean it's funny. I mean, it's saying 'you're the worst elite rugby player I've seen' FFS
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
I mean, it's so spectactularly wrong it's funny.
And it's so spectacularly mean it's funny. I mean, it's saying 'you're the worst elite rugby player I've seen' FFS
Except Highlanders. He could not even be bothered to watch them. Not like he is paid to do so as a professional sports journalist or anything...
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For a blast from the past, I leave below Rattue's take on the worst XV of the Henry era - just prior to the 2011 RWC.
Aged like milk.
On reading that, my first reaction was: "Who are most of these guys?"
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Well the world cup has shown that regarding the AB squad we are there, or there abouts.
Super enthused about the level of interest in rugby at the WC. Great to see the passion from France, Ireland, Portugal ...
Ref support and TMO refinement is a major work-on for 2024.
Excluding this year the last 5 years have been a hard watch supporting the ABs most of the time. The top tiers of NZ rugby lacked clarity and organisation.
Super proud of the WC effort.
Razor not afraid to run his own path.
Next captain firstly has got to be an automatic pick in the team. S Barrett probably.
Massive year End of year tour in UK something I'm looking forward to. -
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Strange is one of two locks with the size for test footy. The other being Parkinson. And the other is Sam Darry ...
@booboo said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Strange is one of two locks with the size for test footy. The other being Parkinson. And the other is Sam Darry ...
Stranger things have happened but I have serious doubts about Darry's selection in the AB squad for 2024. He's not dominant in the NPC so the gap is huge with the international requirements. MSR, McWhannel and Sangster have a higher ceiling IMO.
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For a blast from the past, I leave below Rattue's take on the worst XV of the Henry era - just prior to the 2011 RWC.
Aged like milk.
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@W32 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Windows97 SA definitely need to get younger players in. This group bar one or two players will be too old at the next WC. Will be interesting to see what the first test team post WC looks like
Perhaps we'll see a repeat of 2015-19. Boks getting beaten all over the place and then putting the pieces of the jigsaw together near RWC time.
On the AB side of things, there's a pretty strong core team for Robertson to build on and he has the time to get the team where he wants it. I'm more interested in the general direction the team is going in - depth, ability to handle pressure, etc - than in PR fluff or even results in the first season or two.
@Victor-Meldrew I’m hoping things won’t be as dire as they were post 2015. Think a lot of that had to do with Allister Coetzee's non coaching and very poor team cohesion…. But they did lose a lot of senior players around that time as well. Rassie staying on is a good sign, maybe he has a plan.
