All Blacks 2024
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan hence why I put "hated". Not, hated.
New Zealand ( well, and any other countries in the world ) has some absolutely munterish “fans”.
I remember how hated Mark Carter was and that was before the days of social media. What the fuck did he ever do to deserve that ?
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I was just kacking my pants, as we lost ten after ten after ten. It's not like there was anyone else, Donald was obviously next cab, but he was flaky. Didn't do much in the final, but nailed the clutch moment
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
I was just kacking my pants, as we lost ten after ten after ten. It's not like there was anyone else, Donald was obviously next cab, but he was flaky. Didn't do much in the final, but nailed the clutch moment
Disagree, he defended well at 12 that game.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan hence why I put "hated". Not, hated.
New Zealand ( well, and any other countries in the world ) has some absolutely munterish “fans”.
I remember how hated Mark Carter was and that was before the days of social media. What the fuck did he ever do to deserve that ?
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan hence why I put "hated". Not, hated.
New Zealand ( well, and any other countries in the world ) has some absolutely munterish “fans”.
I remember how hated Mark Carter was and that was before the days of social media. What the fuck did he ever do to deserve that ?
I agree so much, Carter wasn't anything great, but was pk, didn't deserve the crap he got. Have seen it over the years where some rugby watchers expect every AB named to be a great or he isn't good enough, and so cops rubbish from people who generally aren't good enough to play top club rugby! Even with Donald, I agree he was limited in natural ability, but still the players I always love as a lot of what they do is through often hard work rather than natural ability? True greats like McCaw and Carter combine thet lot exceptional natural ability with never leaving a stone unturned to make sure everything is as good as possible. Always remember seeing a test in Brisbanes , I got there early, and it was to be noted that McCaw and Dan Carter were actually out on field going through warm ups etc probably 5 minutes before the rest of team.
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Stuff understands Barrett’s new contract with New Zealand Rugby and the Blues, with a significant third-party contribution once again, is set to be revealed as early as this week after taking some time to get over the line. It will take him through until the 2027 World Cup.
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until the 2027 World Cup
Even older, slower, less distance on kicks, more hospital passes than a lawyer chasing an ambulance, go ahead BB, prove me wrong! -
Stuff understands Barrett’s new contract with New Zealand Rugby and the Blues, with a significant third-party contribution once again, is set to be revealed as early as this week after taking some time to get over the line. It will take him through until the 2027 World Cup.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
It will take him through until the 2027 World Cup
If true, seems that Robertson sees him as integral to his plans to go one better than this year's model and win the Final.
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until the 2027 World Cup
Even older, slower, less distance on kicks, more hospital passes than a lawyer chasing an ambulance, go ahead BB, prove me wrong!@nostrildamus 100% agree. BB should've ridden off into the sunset after RWC2019, but chose to set the ABs back quite a few years at the 10 and 15 positions. Now he's gonna be at 10 for a few years way past his prime.
An often overlooked strength of the ABs (compared to say SA, AU's, etc.) has been that they had stars who knew when they should retire from international rugby. BB is going the opposite route.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
It will take him through until the 2027 World Cup
If true, seems that Robertson sees him as integral to his plans to go one better than this year's model and win the Final.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
It will take him through until the 2027 World Cup
If true, seems that Robertson sees him as integral to his plans to go one better than this year's model and win the Final.
Maybe he thinks he can get a sweeter tune out of him. Doesn't mean to say he will hitch his wagon to him for the entire 4 years. We will see
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@nostrildamus 100% agree. BB should've ridden off into the sunset after RWC2019, but chose to set the ABs back quite a few years at the 10 and 15 positions. Now he's gonna be at 10 for a few years way past his prime.
An often overlooked strength of the ABs (compared to say SA, AU's, etc.) has been that they had stars who knew when they should retire from international rugby. BB is going the opposite route.
@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Now he's gonna be at 10 for a few years way past his prime.
I'm not sure that's what this signing means. Even not for the Blues.
I can imagine that Robertson considers him useful for a transition period of 1 or 2 years and that BB has negotiated well to get a longer contract. A signing through to 2027 doesn't necessarily mean he'll be an AB for that long.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
It will take him through until the 2027 World Cup
If true, seems that Robertson sees him as integral to his plans to go one better than this year's model and win the Final.
Maybe he thinks he can get a sweeter tune out of him. Doesn't mean to say he will hitch his wagon to him for the entire 4 years. We will see
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
It will take him through until the 2027 World Cup
If true, seems that Robertson sees him as integral to his plans to go one better than this year's model and win the Final.
Maybe he thinks he can get a sweeter tune out of him. Doesn't mean to say he will hitch his wagon to him for the entire 4 years. We will see
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
It will take him through until the 2027 World Cup
If true, seems that Robertson sees him as integral to his plans to go one better than this year's model and win the Final.
Maybe he thinks he can get a sweeter tune out of him. Doesn't mean to say he will hitch his wagon to him for the entire 4 years. We will see
It makes sense to use him for a year or two but maybe not for four.
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Julian Savea signed a 4 year deal through to 2019.
It didn't guarantee Savea was at the 2019 RWC.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Julian Savea signed a 4 year deal through to 2019.
It didn't guarantee Savea was at the 2019 RWC.
Yeah, but Savea was young (25) when he signed and arguably the best winger in rugby -BB is neither.
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@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Now he's gonna be at 10 for a few years way past his prime.
I'm not sure that's what this signing means. Even not for the Blues.
I can imagine that Robertson considers him useful for a transition period of 1 or 2 years and that BB has negotiated well to get a longer contract. A signing through to 2027 doesn't necessarily mean he'll be an AB for that long.
We'll see.@Stargazer I suspect that even 1 or 2 years is going to be to the detriment of Dmac's game time at 10 but MORE importantly to the Test experience of any new 10. It may even cut the number of players who will run out in the AB 10 jersey prior to RWC2027.
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Stuff understands Barrett’s new contract with New Zealand Rugby and the Blues, with a significant third-party contribution once again, is set to be revealed as early as this week after taking some time to get over the line. It will take him through until the 2027 World Cup.
@Bovidae It's ok, everybody. Before drafting Barrett's contract, NZR did their due diligence and research about BB's abilities. They felt it unnecessary to review his last few seasons in the AB team, bc on-field play can be so misleading. Instead they consulted reputable and up-to-date sources including allblacks DOT com where they found the following info:
"WITH DEVASTATING SPEED, a laser-like boot and smart game management, Beauden Barrett has been in electrifying form for the All Blacks in recent seasons, winning back-to-back World Rugby Player of the Year Awards in 2016 and 2017."
I guess Wikipedia was down during that particular lunch break.
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it might also suggest that the coach is not overly confident of finding enough fresh new 10/15s...
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
it might also suggest that the coach is not overly confident of finding enough fresh new 10/15s...
He'll have to develop them then. Has plenty of time and access to all the best players in NZ.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Julian Savea signed a 4 year deal through to 2019.
It didn't guarantee Savea was at the 2019 RWC.
Yeah, but Savea was young (25) when he signed and arguably the best winger in rugby -BB is neither.
@Victor-Meldrew he was far from both his and THE best when he re-signed.
He had a few great runs in the 2015 RWC though.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
it might also suggest that the coach is not overly confident of finding enough fresh new 10/15s...
He'll have to develop them then. Has plenty of time and access to all the best players in NZ.
@Victor-Meldrew Agreed. It's as if the previous two AB coaching regimes (Shag and the guy whose name may not be spoken) have brainwashed the public and media into believing that 4 years isn't long enough to develop new 10s.
Henry showed that you can use up to FOUR 10s during a regular 4-year cycle and two of them could be new + very different to your 1st choice.
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I not sure what problem is, he has got a new contract , I sure Razor etc have their thoughts on what he will be used for in team and for how long. I said before and don't mind saying again, I am pleased he has signed back here. I my opinion for what it's worth the more competition we have for places in ABs is only good for the team.
