Black Caps - Bangladesh tour
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
But to be less glib & pedantic .
I'd keep Mitchell at 5, with the attacking license.
Make a top 4 with Ravindra in it somewhere.
I would have Mitchell at 4 he has earned the right to bat up.
More time at the crease for Mitchell is better for the team.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@canefan said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
My 11 for next test. I still go with 4 seamers at home.
Latham
Ravindra
Williamson
Conway
Mitchell
Phillips
Blunders
Jamieson
Henry
Southee
O'RourkeAlthough it is 2 or 3 months away, so have to see how O'Rourke goes in his white ball opportunities.
Absolutely must, for me, that we move on from Wagner now, but have doubts that Sam Wells, as an age and Otago Volts contemporary of Wagner, may be too close. (Let alone the obvious player power on selections by the senior players)
Any reason Conway is being demoted ? Didn’t shine vs Bangladesh but who really did ?
Is Ravindra really an opening option at test level ?
Conway should stay opening,
Too tough a gig throwing Ravindra in to opening in tests different game than white ball by quite a stretch.
let Ravindra find his feet in the lower middle order and work his may up, which is normally the way Test cricket teams are selected unless you are an established opener.Ravindra can take the 5 spot. We get zero production out of it anyway
Mitchell's spot?
Sorry, 4. Or switch with Mitch going to 4
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Also, some context
Edit: saying it's hard to win over there! And low scoring thrillers are more normal
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@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Also, some context
Edit: saying it's hard to win over there! And low scoring thrillers are more normal
Yeah we whinge if it’s a road thats easy to score on, then we whinge if runs are hard to come by.
Put simply, NZ fans are whingers.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Also, some context
Edit: saying it's hard to win over there! And low scoring thrillers are more normal
Yeah we whinge if it’s a road thats easy to score on, then we whinge if runs are hard to come by.
Put simply,
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@booboo said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Also, some context
Edit: saying it's hard to win over there! And low scoring thrillers are more normal
Yeah we whinge if it’s a road thats easy to score on, then we whinge if runs are hard to come by.
Put simply,
NZsports fans are whingers.Fair. Rude of me to put us above other countries.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Also, some context
Edit: saying it's hard to win over there! And low scoring thrillers are more normal
Yeah we whinge if it’s a road thats easy to score on, then we whinge if runs are hard to come by.
Put simply, NZ fans are whingers.
Speak for yourself. See my post above. I thought it was “great”.
Don’t want that every time out, but it’s good to see batsmen struggle occasionally. Also it was pretty consistent throughout so it was fair to both sides.
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@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Also, some context
Edit: saying it's hard to win over there! And low scoring thrillers are more normal
Yeah we whinge if it’s a road thats easy to score on, then we whinge if runs are hard to come by.
Put simply, NZ fans are whingers.
Speak for yourself. See my post above. I thought it was “great”.
Don’t want that every time out, but it’s good to see batsmen struggle occasionally. Also it was pretty consistent throughout so it was fair to both sides.
Speaking for fans mostly. In this day and age a grafting 50 in tough conditions is no where near as appreciated as it should be.
Due to 20/20s and the evolution of ODIs people want to see huge scores. I will admit that there seems to be far more results than in the past on account of quicker scoring rates but the finish to this test was certainly pretty compelling stuff.
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@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Speaking for fans mostly.
I'm not convinced that people always want to see huge scores rather than enthralling contests, but I shall bow to the spokesperson of the masses
I blame the big bash. Fans are so uncouth and there’s barely a gin and tonic in sight.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
I blame the big bash. Fans are so uncouth and there’s barely a gin and tonic in sight.
Plebs. Letting that sort of riff raff into the game leads to matches being decided by boundary countbacks.
So, what do you lot think about the newbies? I don't get to see much domestic stuff.
BLACKCAPS v Bangladesh ODIs
Tom Latham (c)
Adi Ashok* (games 2 & 3)
Finn Allen
Tom Blundell
Mark Chapman
Josh Clarkson*
Jacob Duffy
Kyle Jamieson
Adam Milne
Henry Nicholls
Will O’Rourke*
Rachin Ravindra
Ish Sodhi (game 1)
Will Young
*Potential ODI debut -
@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
I blame the big bash. Fans are so uncouth and there’s barely a gin and tonic in sight.
Plebs. Letting that sort of riff raff into the game leads to matches being decided by boundary countbacks.
So, what do you lot think about the newbies? I don't get to see much domestic stuff.
BLACKCAPS v Bangladesh ODIs
Tom Latham (c)
Adi Ashok* (games 2 & 3)
Finn Allen
Tom Blundell
Mark Chapman
Josh Clarkson*
Jacob Duffy
Kyle Jamieson
Adam Milne
Henry Nicholls
Will O’Rourke*
Rachin Ravindra
Ish Sodhi (game 1)
Will Young
*Potential ODI debutYou could line them all up in a row and I’d have no idea who was who.
Then I’d frantically do some googling of their stats and try and do a post based on that and make out I know what I’m talking about.
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Tim southee has forgotten more about cricket than you fucking idiots have ever known
And he said it was the worst deck he's played on
So maybe shut up
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Tim southee has forgotten more about cricket than you fucking idiots have ever known
And he said it was the worst deck he's played on
So maybe shut up
Worst pitch to play on and most fun pitch to watch cricket being played on, aren't mutually exclusive.
Although, I'd actually agree with him. Once the inconsistent bounce was added (by day 3, although only day 2 of actual wear and tear) to the crazy spin, it edged into the 'too spicy' side of the scale.
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@Snowy said in [Black Caps - Bangladesh tour]
So, what do you lot think about the newbies? I don't get to see much domestic stuff.
BLACKCAPS v Bangladesh ODIs
Tom Latham (c)
Adi Ashok* (games 2 & 3)
Finn Allen
Tom Blundell
Mark Chapman
Josh Clarkson*
Jacob Duffy
Kyle Jamieson
Adam Milne
Henry Nicholls
Will O’Rourke*
Rachin Ravindra
Ish Sodhi (game 1)
Will Young
*Potential ODI debutClarkson is the next generation of hard hitting 5/6/7 finisher in white-ball cricket. E.g. the Neesham replacement. Probably has the reputation of hitting the longest ball in domestics. I think his bowling will be very hittable at the higher level though. Has had injury problems (mostly from his bowling). I’m unsure on him, but has earned the chance and there is a gap coming up in that position.
Ashok would be the most promising. I don’t think a wrist spinner in NZ has had his body of work already by age 21, probably since covered pitches. Should be more consistent than Sochi as has a better action. Although wrist spinners will tend to get channelled down the white-ball (and especially T20 route) so he’ll start to lose opportunities at the longer form the better as he gets better at white-ball.
O’Rourke is ‘quick enough’, ‘tall enough’, ‘accurate enough’. But without being outstanding at any of them. So, will have to see if that adds up to being enough.
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I'm assuming no one here is old to enough to have seen cricket from the uncovered pitches era, apart from those lucky enough to play club cricket low enough down the scales where you have no covers (or sight-screens).
But that Dhaka pitch is how I imagine an uncovered sticky wicket would have played, back in the day.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Tim southee has forgotten more about cricket than you fucking idiots have ever known
And he said it was the worst deck he's played on
So maybe shut up
Worst pitch to play on and most fun pitch to watch cricket being played on, aren't mutually exclusive.
Although, I'd actually agree with him. Once the inconsistent bounce was added (by day 3, although only day 2 of actual wear and tear) to the crazy spin, it edged into the 'too spicy' side of the scale.
I can handle movement, in fact as a bowler I welcome it
But when the bounce is that inconsistent it's a shit deck, and batting goes from hard to a lottery
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I feel like all of our ODI and T20 sides outside of world cups are used as rest periods for our best players, then it’s a roll of the dice to see who gets in the team.
I get that we’ve got to keep blooding new guys, and this is clearly how they’re introducing them to international cricket, but it’d be nice to see our top XI, or close to it playing more games.
Then on the flip side they’re so bloody conservative and stubborn with our test team, refusing to to drop an under-performer when we have a couple of good options to replace them with.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Snowy said in [Black Caps - Bangladesh tour]
So, what do you lot think about the newbies? I don't get to see much domestic stuff.
BLACKCAPS v Bangladesh ODIs
Tom Latham (c)
Adi Ashok* (games 2 & 3)
Finn Allen
Tom Blundell
Mark Chapman
Josh Clarkson*
Jacob Duffy
Kyle Jamieson
Adam Milne
Henry Nicholls
Will O’Rourke*
Rachin Ravindra
Ish Sodhi (game 1)
Will Young
*Potential ODI debutClarkson is the next generation of hard hitting 5/6/7 finisher in white-ball cricket. E.g. the Neesham replacement. Probably has the reputation of hitting the longest ball in domestics. I think his bowling will be very hittable at the higher level though. Has had injury problems (mostly from his bowling). I’m unsure on him, but has earned the chance and there is a gap coming up in that position.
Ashok would be the most promising. I don’t think a wrist spinner in NZ has had his body of work already by age 21, probably since covered pitches. Should be more consistent than Sochi as has a better action. Although wrist spinners will tend to get channelled down the white-ball (and especially T20 route) so he’ll start to lose opportunities at the longer form the better as he gets better at white-ball.
O’Rourke is ‘quick enough’, ‘tall enough’, ‘accurate enough’. But without being outstanding at any of them. So, will have to see if that adds up to being enough.
I’m just reading this bit and ignoring the negative stuff, sounds like we’ve unearthed the next Glenn McGrath, sweet, that’ll do !
