All Blacks 2024
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@canefan As I recall Joe didn't say that he refused to work with Razor, but rather that he was unwilling to have discussions about being part of any future coaching team while still part of Foster's team. Idk if this is one of Joe's general principles or was just bc he didn't want to lose his focus on the then upcoming RWC.
@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan As I recall Joe didn't say that he refused to work with Razor, but rather that he was unwilling to have discussions about being part of any future coaching team while still part of Foster's team. Idk if this is one of Joe's general principles or was just bc he didn't want to lose his focus on the then upcoming RWC.
That's what I read
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@Punch_up said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan As I recall Joe didn't say that he refused to work with Razor, but rather that he was unwilling to have discussions about being part of any future coaching team while still part of Foster's team. Idk if this is one of Joe's general principles or was just bc he didn't want to lose his focus on the then upcoming RWC.
That's what I read
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Really looking forward to this year.
Certainly going to be a change of scene.
Hope the TMOs get sorted out.
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@canefan Yeah, some ppl are out here intentionally or unintentionally trying to create the impression that there is secret beef between Razor and Joe. But maybe some iffy journalism is in part to blame.
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@Punch_up It would be a silly move to let Joe go, he is largely responsible for turning around the fortunes of the All Blacks in 2022 and 2023, plus he also has a lot of intel on the All Blacks. If Razor doens't workout, surely he may need some backup.
@SBW1 Yup, 100% agree. NZR need to ask themselves if there's some sort of rule that they can only retain one experienced, innovative senior coach at a time. They could retain both Sir Wayne AND Joe, you know.
NZ Rugby is becoming a lot like Aus Cricket in that there was a prolonged period where they exported a lot of exprienced coaching talent followed by a period where less experienced coaches had to steer their national team.Not quite there yet, but...
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about. -
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about.@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about.Has he signed?
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about.Has he signed?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about.Has he signed?
Nope just rumours
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about.Has he signed?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about.Has he signed?
No just stirring, but they after after him.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about.Has he signed?
No just stirring, but they after after him.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about.Has he signed?
No just stirring, but they after after him.
I thought he wanted to stay at home due to his son's medical issues?
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about.Has he signed?
No just stirring, but they after after him.
I thought he wanted to stay at home due to his son's medical issues?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
A strong Wallaby team is a good thing for NZ Rugby
Joe will sort them out,
A strong Australian rugby scene is very vital to NZ rugby with out it SR,Rugby Championship and Bedisloe will just fade away and will become things that no one really cares about.Has he signed?
No just stirring, but they after after him.
I thought he wanted to stay at home due to his son's medical issues?
Australia is pretty close to home, wether he takes up the role or not who knows,but Australia Rugby are chasing him.
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Must be an AB camp of some form happening.
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Players in camp: Jordie Barrett, Scott Barrett, Ethan Blackadder, Finlay Christie, Caleb Clarke, Ethan de Groot, David Havili, Rieko Ioane, Luke Jacobson, Will Jordan, Anton Lienert-Brown, Tyrel Lomax, Damian McKenzie, Emoni Narawa, Fletcher Newell, Dalton Papali'i, Cam Roigard, Samisoni Taukei'aho, Mark Tele'a, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Tupou Vaa'i, Tamaiti Williams.
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Players in camp: Jordie Barrett, Scott Barrett, Ethan Blackadder, Finlay Christie, Caleb Clarke, Ethan de Groot, David Havili, Rieko Ioane, Luke Jacobson, Will Jordan, Anton Lienert-Brown, Tyrel Lomax, Damian McKenzie, Emoni Narawa, Fletcher Newell, Dalton Papali'i, Cam Roigard, Samisoni Taukei'aho, Mark Tele'a, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Tupou Vaa'i, Tamaiti Williams.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
Players in camp: Jordie Barrett, Scott Barrett, Ethan Blackadder, Finlay Christie, Caleb Clarke, Ethan de Groot, David Havili, Rieko Ioane, Luke Jacobson, Will Jordan, Anton Lienert-Brown, Tyrel Lomax, Damian McKenzie, Emoni Narawa, Fletcher Newell, Dalton Papali'i, Cam Roigard, Samisoni Taukei'aho, Mark Tele'a, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Tupou Vaa'i, Tamaiti Williams.
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22 - not even a full squad.
Omissions immediately apparent to me include:
- Lord (not RWC squad)
- Finau (not RWC squad)
Others?
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@booboo yeah looks to be those that were in the last AB squad. Maybe the others have been spoken to individually and given their own "plan"?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - no interminable Foster arguments:
@booboo yeah looks to be those that were in the last AB squad. Maybe the others have been spoken to individually and given their own "plan"?
Some will be still on leave, they come back in dribs and drabs. The change will be pushed by what Razor and Co see during SR I guess
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22 - not even a full squad.
Omissions immediately apparent to me include:
- Lord (not RWC squad)
- Finau (not RWC squad)
Others?
@booboo yeah, could be only part of the squad to maintain some secrecy around possible new caps for the upcoming season
OR
Razor has invited current ABs only and he's giving them either the
or the 
as he walks past them on the training field.Example:
Razor: "I'm sorry, Finlay. Thank you for your service."Finlay: "But coach..."
Razor: "Don't make this harder than it already is."
