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Black Caps v Australia

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  • RapidoR Rapido

    If NZ manage to bat long enough today that Australia need to use Green and Marsh. We will probably see that Southee is the 9th best seam bowler playing in this match.

    I know this is a bit of a waaaah post. But it is so frustrating when your worst bowler is taking the new ball etc, makes me want to lash out and rage-post.

    Makes me realise that modern day M Marsh is basically CdG pace (and role), and that Southee is also now CdG pace. I'm a big fan of CdG, there can be a place for a 125k bowler who nips it around - CdG was an excellent role player in our team plus he had a batting average of 35. But, this is not the role that Southee is doing.

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    @Rapido who is a bowler in NZ that would come in for Southee if he was all of sudden jettisoned from the team?

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      Who could replace Southee There is not much to replace atm.
      Zac Foulkes if you want a swing bowler
      Ferns if you want a bounce bowler
      Lister if you want a left arm option
      Duffy if you want a steady
      option
      All worth a punt can’t be much worse as strike bowlers.
      Sears if you want a quick he has done well when ever given a chance in the short form
      Nothing to say he can not transfer that to test level.

      Edit
      Henry Shipley back playing now another Tall quick bowling option.

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        I assume Southee was bowling into the wind yesterday? That should be his role at the Basin. If not, a double mistake.

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          Our hope it that we can finish them them off early and spend the majority of days 2 and 3 batting when the batting is at it's best.

          Unfortunately history shows us we generally get all out on the second day, give Aussie the best of the batting conditions on the third then collapse in the 4th innings as the pitch crumbles.

          Please reverse history today the Black Caps! Please!!

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            Interesting to ponder Andre Borovec the Australian fielding coach can throw 12 kms quicker with a side arm than Southee can bowl.
            So could Craig McMillan and most international coaches.

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              The thing that struck me about Southee is just how slow he looked in the field. A real throwback to the 80s when fast bowlers loped around the outfield, accompanying the ball to the fence.

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                Great ton by Cam Green. So critical for where he is in his career right now. Burst onto the scene with so much promise, has always looked solid but we've been waiting for him to take that next step.

                Knocking up a hundred on a green monster away from home, with no support at the other end. That's a daddy hundred. You can base a career on that sort of thing, and I hope he does.

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                • barbarianB barbarian

                  The thing that struck me about Southee is just how slow he looked in the field. A real throwback to the 80s when fast bowlers loped around the outfield, accompanying the ball to the fence.

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                  @barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:

                  The thing that struck me about Southee is just how slow he looked in the field. A real throwback to the 80s when fast bowlers loped around the outfield, accompanying the ball to the fence.

                  Except at 125km Southee isn't exactly a "fast" bowler...

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                  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                    @Rapido who is a bowler in NZ that would come in for Southee if he was all of sudden jettisoned from the team?

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                    @Canes4life said in Black Caps v Australia:

                    @Rapido who is a bowler in NZ that would come in for Southee if he was all of sudden jettisoned from the team?

                    All of a sudden. So who is ready right here, right now.

                    The obvious, but boring, answer would be the 12th man, Santner.

                    For a seam bowler. It would be Duffy, Smith or Tickner. Who have the overs and the performances this season, and are robust.

                    Smith has never played overseas yet, so I reckon he'll need that first before the selectors seriously look to pick him for test level (he's missed all away 'A" tours by being injured at wrong times). So either Duffy as a like-for-like, or Tickner as the old ball bowler and promote one of O'Rourke or Kuggeleijn to new-ball bowler.

                    Tickner gets laughed off based on his T20 stuff that gets televised, but he's got the attributes to bowl well with an old ball if he sticks to simple(ish) plans (not asked to wagnerball it). Even doing an MN5 style paint by numbers stats look. His 12 wickets in 3 tests as an old ball bowler brings much more to the table than Southee's recent output of 7 wickets in his last 5 tests as a new-ball bowler.

                    I like Fisher, Foulkes and Lister a lot. But don't think they're serious contenders yet due to robustness (Lister and FIsher) while Foulkes is too green. we could pick Foulkes now and quite probably get a bowler better than Southee, but leave him another year to sort his batting and we potentially get a test allrounder, whihc is worth the wait. Don't want to do a Doug Bracewell on him where he is still learning his FC batting at test level.

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                      #450

                      The 10 overs at the end of the day with the second new ball and the 10 overs at the start of day 2 - are the moments when having a 'specialist captain' as one of your new ball bowlers really hurts.

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                        I don't hate getting through a few overs here. The pitch is going to improve through the day. What we don't want is too many more runs. Ideally we'd reel off 10 or so maidens and then get the last wicket.

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                          Southee getting smacked down the ground for 4 by Hazlewood sums his performance up really. Not worrying any of their players right down to 11.

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                            Cam Green appears to be in a mood

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                              Fuck this is a frustrating partnership as I knew it would be when we didn’t get them overnight…..

                              Over 300 is a massive psychological boost, especially with their bowling line up and our batting line up.

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                                NZ have lost this match.

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                                  I like how the NZ attack have played Hazlewood back into form

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                                    Disastrous start to the day, Aus well on top now

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                                    • RapidoR Rapido

                                      NZ have lost this match.

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                                      @Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:

                                      NZ have lost this match.

                                      Na we’re fine, Ravindra is in form 😉

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                                      • NTAN NTA

                                        I like how the NZ attack have played Hazlewood back into form

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                                        @NTA said in Black Caps v Australia:

                                        I like how the NZ attack have played Hazlewood back into form

                                        Upvote for making me chuckle despite how things are going

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                                        • CyclopsC Cyclops

                                          I don't hate getting through a few overs here. The pitch is going to improve through the day. What we don't want is too many more runs. Ideally we'd reel off 10 or so maidens and then get the last wicket.

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                                          @Cyclops said in Black Caps v Australia:

                                          I don't hate getting through a few overs here. The pitch is going to improve through the day. What we don't want is too many more runs. Ideally we'd reel off 10 or so maidens and then get the last wicket.

                                          Yeah this one didn't age well.

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