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Black Caps v Australia

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    #442

    Who could replace Southee There is not much to replace atm.
    Zac Foulkes if you want a swing bowler
    Ferns if you want a bounce bowler
    Lister if you want a left arm option
    Duffy if you want a steady
    option
    All worth a punt can’t be much worse as strike bowlers.
    Sears if you want a quick he has done well when ever given a chance in the short form
    Nothing to say he can not transfer that to test level.

    Edit
    Henry Shipley back playing now another Tall quick bowling option.

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    • BovidaeB Offline
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      I assume Southee was bowling into the wind yesterday? That should be his role at the Basin. If not, a double mistake.

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      • Windows97W Offline
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        Our hope it that we can finish them them off early and spend the majority of days 2 and 3 batting when the batting is at it's best.

        Unfortunately history shows us we generally get all out on the second day, give Aussie the best of the batting conditions on the third then collapse in the 4th innings as the pitch crumbles.

        Please reverse history today the Black Caps! Please!!

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        • ChrisC Offline
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          #445

          Interesting to ponder Andre Borovec the Australian fielding coach can throw 12 kms quicker with a side arm than Southee can bowl.
          So could Craig McMillan and most international coaches.

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            The thing that struck me about Southee is just how slow he looked in the field. A real throwback to the 80s when fast bowlers loped around the outfield, accompanying the ball to the fence.

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            • barbarianB Offline
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              Great ton by Cam Green. So critical for where he is in his career right now. Burst onto the scene with so much promise, has always looked solid but we've been waiting for him to take that next step.

              Knocking up a hundred on a green monster away from home, with no support at the other end. That's a daddy hundred. You can base a career on that sort of thing, and I hope he does.

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              • barbarianB barbarian

                The thing that struck me about Southee is just how slow he looked in the field. A real throwback to the 80s when fast bowlers loped around the outfield, accompanying the ball to the fence.

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                @barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:

                The thing that struck me about Southee is just how slow he looked in the field. A real throwback to the 80s when fast bowlers loped around the outfield, accompanying the ball to the fence.

                Except at 125km Southee isn't exactly a "fast" bowler...

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                • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                  @Rapido who is a bowler in NZ that would come in for Southee if he was all of sudden jettisoned from the team?

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                  @Canes4life said in Black Caps v Australia:

                  @Rapido who is a bowler in NZ that would come in for Southee if he was all of sudden jettisoned from the team?

                  All of a sudden. So who is ready right here, right now.

                  The obvious, but boring, answer would be the 12th man, Santner.

                  For a seam bowler. It would be Duffy, Smith or Tickner. Who have the overs and the performances this season, and are robust.

                  Smith has never played overseas yet, so I reckon he'll need that first before the selectors seriously look to pick him for test level (he's missed all away 'A" tours by being injured at wrong times). So either Duffy as a like-for-like, or Tickner as the old ball bowler and promote one of O'Rourke or Kuggeleijn to new-ball bowler.

                  Tickner gets laughed off based on his T20 stuff that gets televised, but he's got the attributes to bowl well with an old ball if he sticks to simple(ish) plans (not asked to wagnerball it). Even doing an MN5 style paint by numbers stats look. His 12 wickets in 3 tests as an old ball bowler brings much more to the table than Southee's recent output of 7 wickets in his last 5 tests as a new-ball bowler.

                  I like Fisher, Foulkes and Lister a lot. But don't think they're serious contenders yet due to robustness (Lister and FIsher) while Foulkes is too green. we could pick Foulkes now and quite probably get a bowler better than Southee, but leave him another year to sort his batting and we potentially get a test allrounder, whihc is worth the wait. Don't want to do a Doug Bracewell on him where he is still learning his FC batting at test level.

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                    #450

                    The 10 overs at the end of the day with the second new ball and the 10 overs at the start of day 2 - are the moments when having a 'specialist captain' as one of your new ball bowlers really hurts.

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                    • CyclopsC Offline
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                      I don't hate getting through a few overs here. The pitch is going to improve through the day. What we don't want is too many more runs. Ideally we'd reel off 10 or so maidens and then get the last wicket.

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                      • No QuarterN Online
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                        Southee getting smacked down the ground for 4 by Hazlewood sums his performance up really. Not worrying any of their players right down to 11.

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                        • NTAN Offline
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                          Cam Green appears to be in a mood

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                            #454

                            Fuck this is a frustrating partnership as I knew it would be when we didn’t get them overnight…..

                            Over 300 is a massive psychological boost, especially with their bowling line up and our batting line up.

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                              NZ have lost this match.

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                                I like how the NZ attack have played Hazlewood back into form

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                                  Disastrous start to the day, Aus well on top now

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                                  • RapidoR Rapido

                                    NZ have lost this match.

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                                    @Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:

                                    NZ have lost this match.

                                    Na we’re fine, Ravindra is in form 😉

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                                    • NTAN NTA

                                      I like how the NZ attack have played Hazlewood back into form

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                                      @NTA said in Black Caps v Australia:

                                      I like how the NZ attack have played Hazlewood back into form

                                      Upvote for making me chuckle despite how things are going

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                                      • CyclopsC Cyclops

                                        I don't hate getting through a few overs here. The pitch is going to improve through the day. What we don't want is too many more runs. Ideally we'd reel off 10 or so maidens and then get the last wicket.

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                                        @Cyclops said in Black Caps v Australia:

                                        I don't hate getting through a few overs here. The pitch is going to improve through the day. What we don't want is too many more runs. Ideally we'd reel off 10 or so maidens and then get the last wicket.

                                        Yeah this one didn't age well.

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                                        • barbarianB barbarian

                                          @Cyclops said in Black Caps v Australia:

                                          I don't hate getting through a few overs here. The pitch is going to improve through the day. What we don't want is too many more runs. Ideally we'd reel off 10 or so maidens and then get the last wicket.

                                          Yeah this one didn't age well.

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                                          @barbarian

                                          Hey, my prediction of it getting easier to bat has been pretty good!

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