All Blacks 2024
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
that's two 10s he's taken out in 3 weeks
Victor Matfield would be proud…
Finau will be in the squad no doubt about it.
For me a big problem to solve is who plays at openside. We need to settle on a player that we can build a combination with our other loose forwards (whoever they are).
It's not easy. Savea being savea adds a bit of a balance problem. I can sort of see why they persisted with cane and needed Frizzell.
I hope surf jesus doesn't just pick a bunch of 6.5s again.
The Blues Boys will protest, but I feel DP is best suited to a bench role. I reckon he's a bit slow to play openside, and provide that turnover heat.
But, there has to be a reason he's got bigger in thr off-season, and I doubt that reason is the Blues.We're all guessing because we have no clue how surf jesus wants to play and therefore what players he needs
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I reckon he's a bit slow to play openside
I'd there a position to pick an out and out openside any more?
There's no "fetcher" anymore. The early McCaw type role I reckon has been superseded.
I'm having a debate with myself here, and keep contradicting myself.
Like the idea of a brute at 6 (Finau fanboi), a ball carrier at 8 and a complementary player at 7. But that dude isn't my idea of a traditional 7.
He's not first at the breakdown anymore as breakdowns are set up differently, and we can't wait for him like we used to.
I know what I mean, just don't words goodly.
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All I know is we haven't been a big turnover team for a while, we don't put huge pressure on the other teams' ruck, I wouldn't mind a different approach
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All I know is we haven't been a big turnover team for a while, we don't put huge pressure on the other teams' ruck, I wouldn't mind a different approach
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
All I know is we haven't been a big turnover team for a while, we don't put huge pressure on the other teams' ruck, I wouldn't mind a different approach
Probably didn't help given our defensive structure giving up ground.
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@ACT-Crusader it's the constant theme that RM is being excluded unfairly despite the fact that he, you know, signed a fucking contract overseas. That's what pissed me off.
Also fuck Frizzell, did.we.give that spud a sabbatical? Also cane is old news (no mafia I will not be surrendering my membership card)
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ACT-Crusader it's the constant theme that RM is being excluded unfairly despite the fact that he, you know, signed a fucking contract overseas. That's what pissed me off.
Also fuck Frizzell, did.we.give that spud a sabbatical? Also cane is old news (no mafia I will not be surrendering my membership card)
No seems he signed for a year? Similar to DMac a couple of years back, has to actually play in NZ before he is considered etc. Not a sabbatical (where they still under contract to NZR, and can be picked as soon as they step off plane)
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Don't know if this has been said. I think the best NZ 10 in 2023 and 2024 is/was DMac.
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I think the game has moved on from an out an out fetcher, instead all 15 players now have the ability to gain turnover ball. It’s the players having the skill to identify an isolated player and act in that. It would be very interesting to see the stats on holding on penalties and see what number jersey is getting those penalties. From memory Savea got us a lot of clutch holding on penalties last season. But I think many other players did too.
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You still need at least one loose forward who can be a pest at the breakdown. He doesn't need to win turnovers all the time but just slow the opposition ball down enough to give your defence time to realign. As always, the loosies need to complement each other. We've seen enough examples of what an unbalanced loose forward trio looks like.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
What are the stats?
I only have individual game stats. It would be a bitch to add them all up
Looks like I can get some good SR info though
- Top 10 players in ~50 stats
- Top 10 players in the same stats but averaged by minutes
- Top 10 performances by players in a single stat in a single game
- Team rankings on those ~50 stats
I won't be able to just dump them all here but I'll be able to post some interesting ones
Probably a couple off weeks before I look at this. By then the numbers will mean more anyway
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There's always two ways to discuss AB selections. What you would pick or what you think the AB selectors will pick
Robertson has generally gone for loosies with high tackle counts and sometimes with a narrower skillset too.
Christie is the classic example, but a guy like Grace at number 8 is very different than other NZ sides no 8s (he would be a blindside in most other teams). Before Grace was Whetu Douglas even a guy like Sione Havili got game time at 8
Harmon was there for a few seasons, couldn't get past Christie and left after Havili seemed to pass him in the rankings too
There's exceptions of course people like Blackadder & Matera. But Robertson did seem to pick different styles than other teams. Maybe that'll be different at AB level? The Crusaders always had the best tight five and they kicked more than other teams so that would've had an impact on what was required from a loosie.
Regardless of how the Crusaders are going right now I think their loosies have a better chance at being in the squad than many on TSF think. I think guys like Jacobson, Papali'i & Segner fit that profile. Players like Lakai and Sotutu maybe not
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Curious to know how rival fans rate Fabian Holland. Obviously he isn't available until the end of 2025, but to me he looks to comfortably already be in the best three locks in New Zealand (Barrett and Lord).
Feels like his potential is endless, absolute freak of an athlete.
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@BerniesCorner Completely untested ...
Not that there are any dominant figures now.
Perofeta is good around the field, but can't kick goals to save himself.
Lets see DMac against England. Only other option is Perofeta with another goalkicker.
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Does anyone watch a lot of Japanese club rugby? Warner Dearns is playing for Japan, but he's only 21. Is he someone who could come back and be a significant challenger to the other young guys coming through? Or is he right where he should be?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Does anyone watch a lot of Japanese club rugby? Warner Dearns is playing for Japan, but he's only 21. Is he someone who could come back and be a significant challenger to the other young guys coming through? Or is he right where he should be?
When was his last cap for Japan? I rate him from the little I have seen of him.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ACT-Crusader it's the constant theme that RM is being excluded unfairly despite the fact that he, you know, signed a fucking contract overseas. That's what pissed me off.
Also fuck Frizzell, did.we.give that spud a sabbatical? Also cane is old news (no mafia I will not be surrendering my membership card)
No seems he signed for a year? Similar to DMac a couple of years back, has to actually play in NZ before he is considered etc. Not a sabbatical (where they still under contract to NZR, and can be picked as soon as they step off plane)
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@ACT-Crusader it's the constant theme that RM is being excluded unfairly despite the fact that he, you know, signed a fucking contract overseas. That's what pissed me off.
Also fuck Frizzell, did.we.give that spud a sabbatical? Also cane is old news (no mafia I will not be surrendering my membership card)
No seems he signed for a year? Similar to DMac a couple of years back, has to actually play in NZ before he is considered etc. Not a sabbatical (where they still under contract to NZR, and can be picked as soon as they step off plane)
There are no set rules anymore.
TJ Perenara was available for selection immediately upon returning before playing NPC.
Damian McKenzie was explicitly not.
Beauden Barrett is now available for selection in July despite following the exact same process as McKenzie.
Basically NZR just follow a bespoke process for each player.
