All Blacks 2024
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish Yep wasn't TJ on a sabbatical? I thought he was. Think BB is too in the fact he has already signed with NZR when Japan season ends.
No, none of the three were/are on sabbaticals. They all signed deals in Japan and only negotiated new deals with NZR once they were overseas.
The old rule, unless you were on a sabbatical, was you had to play in the immediately preceding domestic competition to be eligible for the All Blacks but it's all fairly fluid now (see: NZR do what they want).
Beauden Barrett and Brodie Retallick took sabbatical options during the 2021 Super Rugby season and so were instantly eligible for selection upon their returns to NZ for the mid-year Tests (because this was part of their contract).
Perenara, on the other hand, wasn't eligible for selection for that July series (as he wasn't on a sabbatical, confirmed by Foster in a media stand-up) but was apparently eligible for The Rugby Championship that season (confirmed by Foster in the same stand-up).
McKenzie, however, despite treading the same path as Perenara the prior year, wasn't eligible for the 2022 Rugby Championship (the team release for the competition stated: "Unavailable for selection due to New Zealand Rugby return to play criteria - Damian McKenzie.")
So, in theory, Barrett shouldn't be available until the Rugby Championship at the very earliest (if going by Perenara's process) and not for the EOYT if going by McKenzie's process. That's not the case, however. Evidently Barrett negotiated in his new contract that he would be available for selection immediately, despite the precedent.
So the rules are all made up and don't really follow any rhyme or reason.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
> So the rules are all made up and don't really follow any rhyme or reason.
Which sums up NZR at the moment quite succiently.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
> So the rules are all made up and don't really follow any rhyme or reason.
Which sums up NZR at the moment quite succiently.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
> So the rules are all made up and don't really follow any rhyme or reason.
Which sums up NZR at the moment quite succiently.
4 looong years.
But but he hasn't got enough international experience -
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
> So the rules are all made up and don't really follow any rhyme or reason.
Which sums up NZR at the moment quite succiently.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
> So the rules are all made up and don't really follow any rhyme or reason.
Which sums up NZR at the moment quite succiently.
Well it sums uo a forum, we don't really know what happened at negotiating times etc, but we can pretend.
See Perenara's and BB were actually quite different, BB had signed with NZR before he went to Japan, where as TJ was wondering about going to league. -
surf jesus really trying to get the band back together aye? FMD
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
> So the rules are all made up and don't really follow any rhyme or reason.
Which sums up NZR at the moment quite succiently.
Well it sums uo a forum, we don't really know what happened at negotiating times etc, but we can pretend.
See Perenara's and BB were actually quite different, BB had signed with NZR before he went to Japan, where as TJ was wondering about going to league.@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
> So the rules are all made up and don't really follow any rhyme or reason.
Which sums up NZR at the moment quite succiently.
Well it sums uo a forum, we don't really know what happened at negotiating times etc, but we can pretend.
See Perenara's and BB were actually quite different, BB had signed with NZR before he went to Japan, where as TJ was wondering about going to league.Well, the rules are ostensibly quite clear - it's just that players are now negotiating their way out of having to follow them.
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Can't we move on from these guys?
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apparently "innovate systems" is just code for "have a solid experienced core of players"
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Can we rename the thread "All Blacks 2024 - Looking Backwards"
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Looks like Razor is going all out to get some of these guys back, pretty sure he will be doing the same with Frizell, Mounga, LF and BR.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Looks like Razor is going all out to get some of these guys back, pretty sure he will be doing the same with Frizzel, Mounga, LF and BR.
Getting Mounga and BBBR back would be great, not sure about Whitelock.
It's a sad reflection of our depth though. Can't remember a time when we have been this weak.
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I can understand wanting guys like Whitelock in and around the current crop of locks, but given we have Barrett currently who is vastly experienced, he is the one we should be looking to for bringing in the next generation through, Lord in particular is one I hope is fit and selected.
Frizell is a bit of a myth IMO, while Ryan rated him, this was presumably off the back of trainings and 1 very good game.
Assuming this is fact and not distorted.
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Reeks of a lack of confidence in the players available and his ability as a coach to improve players. Cantablacks looking more likely by the day.
