All Blacks 2024
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@taniwharugby No not the only way, but you do pick up a lot of stuff (especially off the ball activity/movement and positional play) that the camera's misses.
@Windows97 only if you spend your time watching 1 player...
They would have access to all the cameras giving them a far better ability to analyse players work on and off the ball, especially with the software they nno.dount have as well
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
No different than Barrett coming back although he is well past it at least Whitelock was and still is performing.
It is obvious the coaching staff do not rate the locking stocks playing in this country very highly ,maybe it is stop gap for a couple of years until the young ones develop and harden up a bit more.
Lock is one position the older harder players seem to dominate.
Vaai is not a test lock,Holland isn't available yet,Lord is coming through but is injured a lot.
Parkinson,Strange,Darry,MSR,IWL not test options in my opinion.Looks a bit bare to meI would rate Justin Sangster, Naitoa Ah Kuoi, Zach Gallagher, Josh Beehre, over those locks.
Strange (especially - he's never been anything above average, even at Super level.)
@ruggabee said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Strange (especially - he's never been anything above average, even at Super level.)
But for an injury, he would already be an AB. I agree with your point though.
So Dane can expect a call soon? The options/depth/quality at hooker aren't any better than at lock.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Yeah you want your war horses in the RWC year - not in the year after the RWC.
Not the point more up sides to young players learning off Whitelock a real test lock than Vaai pretending to be one.
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If your spending time now on a player that isn't going to be there in 4 years time then all you are doing is wasting time you could have spent developing another player.
I think the rugby pubic would be more than understanding if we lose a few games but can see a clear developement pathway for new players.
Bringing back old war horses and loosing will not go down well.
I think Rassie said it right and it was something along the lines of "we'd love to have an 80% winning percentage, but in the years between the RWC you've got to select and take risks on young, new players". I presume so you can build the best team you can by the time the RWC rolls around.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
If your spending time now on a player that isn't going to be there in 4 years time then all you are doing is wasting time you could have spent developing another player.
I think the rugby pubic would be more than understanding if we lose a few games but can see a clear developement pathway for new players.
Bringing back old war horses and loosing will not go down well.
I think Rassie said it right and it was something along the lines of "we'd love to have an 80% winning percentage, but in the years between the RWC you've got to select and take risks on young, new players". I presume so you can build the best team you can by the time the RWC rolls around.
Since when have we become SA and only cared about the RWC? Our expectations as a rugby nation has always been higher than theirs. The aim should still be to win ever test, that's what the ABs legacy is built on.
While I don't necessarily agree with Whitelock coming back, surely people should be able to see the logic behind it.
As for Rassie, this is the guy who picked two 37 year olds last year in Vermualen and Fourie, so he clearly values experience.
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The chat on here seems like a bit of an overreaction to Whitelock coming back to NZ.
We could use the experience - especially at lock.
Sounds good to me.
Whitelock could be a nice bridge until the new brigade are ready/eligible (Holland, Hannah, Beehre etc etc)
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The chat on here seems like a bit of an overreaction to Whitelock coming back to NZ.
We could use the experience - especially at lock.
Sounds good to me.
Whitelock could be a nice bridge until the new brigade are ready/eligible (Holland, Hannah, Beehre etc etc)
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
The chat on here seems like a bit of an overreaction to Whitelock coming back to NZ.
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The chat on here seems like a bit of an overreaction to Whitelock coming back to NZ.
We could use the experience - especially at lock.
Sounds good to me.
Whitelock could be a nice bridge until the new brigade are ready/eligible (Holland, Hannah, Beehre etc etc)
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
The chat on here seems like a bit of an overreaction to Whitelock coming back to NZ.
We could use the experience - especially at lock.
Sounds good to me.
Whitelock could be a nice bridge until the new brigade are ready/eligible (Holland, Hannah, Beehre etc etc)
People are also being incredibly naive if they think previous AB coaches didn't have similar conversations with overseas based kiwi players.
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I’m sure someone on here mentioned Whitelock coming back a few months ago.
Do we know for certain it’s Razor chasing him. Or maybe he’s coming back for other reasons. But it fits the media’s narrative this way.
Don’t believe everything you read in the media.
Also people’s opinions on here mean absolutely nothing in the real world.
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@Kirwan totally agree , Razor needs to b in NZ watching super , not fucking around trying to return the past
@george33 you do realise he has analysts that cut up all the footage for him.
He doesn’t sit there watching full games one after the other.
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I’m sure someone on here mentioned Whitelock coming back a few months ago.
Do we know for certain it’s Razor chasing him. Or maybe he’s coming back for other reasons. But it fits the media’s narrative this way.
Don’t believe everything you read in the media.
Also people’s opinions on here mean absolutely nothing in the real world.
Just my opinion though.@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Also people’s opinions on here mean absolutely nothing in the real world.
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I'll have to remember all this sage advice about experience when Barrett is starting at ten for Razor.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'll have to remember all this sage advice about experience when Barrett is starting at ten for Razor.
considering the enormous amount of dumb shit i spout on here, there is no way i want keeping receipts to become a thing
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What I have heard is Whitelock would play SR next season and potentially some of this seasons SR.
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@Chris what's his contract situation at Pau? Is he unhappy there? Did he only sign a short term deal?
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Chris what's his contract situation at Pau? Is he unhappy there? Did he only sign a short term deal?
2 year deal Don't know the other pieces.
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Are people getting outraged over rumours…or is there a thread of hard evidence that Robertson is begging whitelock to come back??
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Are people getting outraged over rumours…or is there a thread of hard evidence that Robertson is begging whitelock to come back??
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Are people getting outraged over rumours…or is there a thread of hard evidence that Robertson is begging whitelock to come back??
It is Rumours as far as I know.
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I can understand wanting guys like Whitelock in and around the current crop of locks, but given we have Barrett currently who is vastly experienced, he is the one we should be looking to for bringing in the next generation through, Lord in particular is one I hope is fit and selected.
Frizell is a bit of a myth IMO, while Ryan rated him, this was presumably off the back of trainings and 1 very good game.
Assuming this is fact and not distorted.
@taniwharugby His defence always sucked.
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Are people getting outraged over rumours…or is there a thread of hard evidence that Robertson is begging whitelock to come back??
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Are people getting outraged over rumours…or is there a thread of hard evidence that Robertson is begging whitelock to come back??
shake the very foundation of the forum why dont ya!?
