All Blacks 2024
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Yeah you want your war horses in the RWC year - not in the year after the RWC.
Not the point more up sides to young players learning off Whitelock a real test lock than Vaai pretending to be one.
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No different than Barrett coming back although he is well past it at least Whitelock was and still is performing.
It is obvious the coaching staff do not rate the locking stocks playing in this country very highly ,maybe it is stop gap for a couple of years until the young ones develop and harden up a bit more.
Lock is one position the older harder players seem to dominate.
Vaai is not a test lock,Holland isn't available yet,Lord is coming through but is injured a lot.
Parkinson,Strange,Darry,MSR,IWL not test options in my opinion.Looks a bit bare to meClearly lock is the biggest issue for us over the next couple of seasons.
We have Barratt - world class lock, Lord - who has potential, injury prone, inexperienced - Vai’i who needs to improve a huge amount.
Holland - not eligible yet
Of all the players overseas, Whitelock would make the most sense, help shore up locking position adding depth, mentoring the younger crop of locks coming through to get them ready to become world class.
So he would be a player, mentor, pseudo specialist coach
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If your spending time now on a player that isn't going to be there in 4 years time then all you are doing is wasting time you could have spent developing another player.
I think the rugby pubic would be more than understanding if we lose a few games but can see a clear developement pathway for new players.
Bringing back old war horses and loosing will not go down well.
I think Rassie said it right and it was something along the lines of "we'd love to have an 80% winning percentage, but in the years between the RWC you've got to select and take risks on young, new players". I presume so you can build the best team you can by the time the RWC rolls around.
Rassie is just trying to excuse the boks not being the dominant side year after year.
They have a great RWC record, no doubt about it, but they should be better outside of that as well.
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/all-blacks-icon-tapped-for-shock-test-comeback/ar-BB1kg4ZD?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=35c2a146bf71463b9f7789b760766ac0&ei=19 Seems to be getting a bit of traction. Would not be surprised if a few more are added to this list. Would it be possible to bring Mounga back?
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surf jesus really trying to get the band back together aye? FMD
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/all-blacks-icon-tapped-for-shock-test-comeback/ar-BB1kg4ZD?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=35c2a146bf71463b9f7789b760766ac0&ei=19 Seems to be getting a bit of traction. Would not be surprised if a few more are added to this list. Would it be possible to bring Mounga back?
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm just waiting for Robertson to start talking up Ma'a Nonu next.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm just waiting for Robertson to start talking up Ma'a Nonu next.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I'm just waiting for Robertson to start talking up Ma'a Nonu next.
that’s just silly, he already has Crotty back in Nz and ready to go
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/all-blacks-icon-tapped-for-shock-test-comeback/ar-BB1kg4ZD?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=35c2a146bf71463b9f7789b760766ac0&ei=19 Seems to be getting a bit of traction. Would not be surprised if a few more are added to this list. Would it be possible to bring Mounga back?
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/all-blacks-icon-tapped-for-shock-test-comeback/ar-BB1kg4ZD?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=35c2a146bf71463b9f7789b760766ac0&ei=19 Seems to be getting a bit of traction. Would not be surprised if a few more are added to this list. Would it be possible to bring Mounga back?
No he's signed for a few years.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/all-blacks-icon-tapped-for-shock-test-comeback/ar-BB1kg4ZD?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=35c2a146bf71463b9f7789b760766ac0&ei=19 Seems to be getting a bit of traction. Would not be surprised if a few more are added to this list. Would it be possible to bring Mounga back?
No he's signed for a few years.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/other/all-blacks-icon-tapped-for-shock-test-comeback/ar-BB1kg4ZD?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=35c2a146bf71463b9f7789b760766ac0&ei=19 Seems to be getting a bit of traction. Would not be surprised if a few more are added to this list. Would it be possible to bring Mounga back?
No he's signed for a few years.
Whitelock was signed for 2. So anything is possible, with contract buy outs etc.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Yeah you want your war horses in the RWC year - not in the year after the RWC.
Not the point more up sides to young players learning off Whitelock a real test lock than Vaai pretending to be one.
Short sighted not looking at the potential overall long term benefits.@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Yeah you want your war horses in the RWC year - not in the year after the RWC.
Not the point more up sides to young players learning off Whitelock a real test lock than Vaai pretending to be one.
Short sighted not looking at the potential overall long term benefits.Ironical this statement as Vaai has already had years of "learning" off Whitelock and it hasn't really helped has it?
If Whitelock is to come back because he's simply better than everyone else playing and deserves to be there on merit that's fine, short sighted consdiering he defiently wont be there come the next RWC but ok.
If he's there with a transition into a coaching role then that's great.
I'm also not sure that the Whitelock we got at the RWC last year is going to be the same Whitelock we get back in 2024. He mentally checked out from the game at the top level to retire - history is littered with atheletes who retired, came back and were a shadow of their former selves.
It just seems to me that time and effort would be better spent on developing the talent we have here.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
NZR must be rolling in cash if they can buy-out these lucrative overseas contracts.
Not that there is any indication that is happening
@Machpants TSF: Rumour = Fact
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Yeah you want your war horses in the RWC year - not in the year after the RWC.
Not the point more up sides to young players learning off Whitelock a real test lock than Vaai pretending to be one.
Short sighted not looking at the potential overall long term benefits.Ironical this statement as Vaai has already had years of "learning" off Whitelock and it hasn't really helped has it?
If Whitelock is to come back because he's simply better than everyone else playing and deserves to be there on merit that's fine, short sighted consdiering he defiently wont be there come the next RWC but ok.
If he's there with a transition into a coaching role then that's great.
I'm also not sure that the Whitelock we got at the RWC last year is going to be the same Whitelock we get back in 2024. He mentally checked out from the game at the top level to retire - history is littered with atheletes who retired, came back and were a shadow of their former selves.
It just seems to me that time and effort would be better spent on developing the talent we have here.
@Windows97 Vai'i plays for the Crusaders? Because that is where your base of learning happens, day to day rugby, not the short sharp fine tuning that happens in limited times with national teams, IMO
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
NZR must be rolling in cash if they can buy-out these lucrative overseas contracts.
Yeah the details matter
If Pau lets him go out of the kindness of their heart (why would they?) and Whitelock signs to NZR for a lower contract than he was previously on (there's no way he's worth the same as his previous deal now) that's not a huge issue
If NZR was paying for him twice, or whatever break contract fee? Fuck that
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Yeah you want your war horses in the RWC year - not in the year after the RWC.
Not the point more up sides to young players learning off Whitelock a real test lock than Vaai pretending to be one.
Short sighted not looking at the potential overall long term benefits.Ironical this statement as Vaai has already had years of "learning" off Whitelock and it hasn't really helped has it?
If Whitelock is to come back because he's simply better than everyone else playing and deserves to be there on merit that's fine, short sighted consdiering he defiently wont be there come the next RWC but ok.
If he's there with a transition into a coaching role then that's great.
I'm also not sure that the Whitelock we got at the RWC last year is going to be the same Whitelock we get back in 2024. He mentally checked out from the game at the top level to retire - history is littered with atheletes who retired, came back and were a shadow of their former selves.
It just seems to me that time and effort would be better spent on developing the talent we have here.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Ironical this statement as Vaai has already had years of "learning" off Whitelock and it hasn't really helped has it?
You can't polish a turd.
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I really hope these rumours about Robertson tapping up Mo'unga and Whitelock are just that - rumours and bullshit.
Because if a new, much-hyped, forward-looking AB coach at the start of a RWC cycle first instinct is to look to past glories, then we have been sold a fucking big pup.
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I really hope these rumours about Robertson tapping up Mo'unga and Whitelock are just that - rumours and bullshit.
Because if a new, much-hyped, forward-looking AB coach at the start of a RWC cycle first instinct is to look to past glories, then we have been sold a fucking big pup.
@Victor-Meldrew if he is indeed 'pursuing' them, I expect it is with his ulterior motive of getting the selection of overseas players relaxed to allow selection of such players.
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@Windows97 Vai'i plays for the Crusaders? Because that is where your base of learning happens, day to day rugby, not the short sharp fine tuning that happens in limited times with national teams, IMO
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Windows97 Vai'i plays for the Crusaders? Because that is where your base of learning happens, day to day rugby, not the short sharp fine tuning that happens in limited times with national teams, IMO
Which entirely puts to bed the arguement that it'll be great to have him back so he can mentor the new players as he'll be no use what-so-ever in mentoring the AB locks - unless, per chance they happen to play for the Crusaders.
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I really hope these rumours about Robertson tapping up Mo'unga and Whitelock are just that - rumours and bullshit.
Because if a new, much-hyped, forward-looking AB coach at the start of a RWC cycle first instinct is to look to past glories, then we have been sold a fucking big pup.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I really hope these rumours about Robertson tapping up Mo'unga and Whitelock are just that - rumours and bullshit.
Because if a new, much-hyped, forward-looking AB coach at the start of a RWC cycle first instinct is to look to past glories, then we have been sold a fucking big pup.
While I will judge Robertson as a coach on his results on the field the optics are getting worse and worse.
In short he was given the job in a kangaroo court appointment that cut out the incumbent and seemingly anyone else who wanted the job. Presumably to stop him going overseas.
This caused an obvious rupture between the incumbent and the incoming coach, to the point where Robertson wasn't even allowed to be present at the AB's games in the RWC...
This rupture then turned into a chasm as Joe said F you to NZR and left to coach the wallabies.
Now we hear he's trying to get players that have committed to retirement from international rugby to come back into international rugby.
He has a fabulous record with the Crusaders, and I really hope he continues that with the AB's because his lead up into his first year is terrifying.
NZR appears to be a bunch of people fighting each other, rather than an organisation united together to achieve the same goals. And that is what concerns me, much more so than who is the AB coach or if Whitelock is coming back or not.
